$25----->25k Bankroll Challenge on Ignition
I am going to be starting with $25 in my Ignition Account and try to spin it up to $25,000.
I will start at 5nl since it is the lowest stake on the site and be playing Ignition Reg tables only.
I will be updating every 5k hands with my progress.
My expectation for each limit is as follows:
Expected Winrates for each limit:
5NL: 30bb/100
10NL: 25bb/100
25NL: 20bb/100
50NL: 15bb/100
100NL: 12bb/100
200NL: 10bb/100
Variance will be a decent factor in a lot of these winrates but these are just ball park numbers. Once I hit 25k I will take a 10buyin shot at 500nl! As far as moving up I'll move up whenever I feel like it, but probably after winning 30-40 buyins at the limit.
There will be no cherry picking here since you can't cherry pick a Bankroll Challenge. Wish me luck (or not) and follow along in this thread.
Cool hand where I get wrecked. This villain has around a 42-43 WWSF and called river quickly. Maybe it looks bluffy?
Time to put it in the value line next time.
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2
Software
NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($41.13) [VPIP: 20.1% | PFR: 15.9% | AGG: 35.5% | Hands: 1873]
HERO ($30.35) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 38.3% | Flop Agg: 41% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 41.6% | 3Bet: 10.5% | 4Bet: 12% | Hands: 123165]
BB ($25) [VPIP: 21.1% | PFR: 17.2% | AGG: 35.4% | Flop Agg: 36.4% | Turn Agg: 37.9% | River Agg: 38.3% | 3Bet: 9.4% | 4Bet: 16.7% | Cold Call: 8.6% | Hands: 2631]
UTG ($25.35) [VPIP: 22.6% | PFR: 19.4% | AGG: 35.4% | Hands: 290]
HJ ($43.40) [VPIP: 22.9% | PFR: 16.5% | AGG: 34.5% | Hands: 383]
CO ($30) [VPIP: 18.7% | PFR: 13.1% | AGG: 27.1% | Hands: 492]
Dealt to Hero: Q♣ 3♣
UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.75, BB Calls $0.50
Hero SPR on Flop: [16.17 effective]
Flop ($1.50): 5♣ 2♥ 9♦
HERO Checks, BB Bets $0.47 (Rem. Stack: $23.78), HERO Calls $0.47 (Rem. Stack: $29.13)
Turn ($2.44): 5♣ 2♥ 9♦ 4♦
HERO Checks, BB Bets $1.16 (Rem. Stack: $22.62), HERO Raises To $4.73 (Rem. Stack: $24.40), BB Calls $3.57 (Rem. Stack: $19.05)
River ($11.90): 5♣ 2♥ 9♦ 4♦ J♣
HERO Bets $24.40 (allin), BB Calls $19.05 (allin)
Spoiler
BB shows: 9♣ K♥
BB wins: $47.50
Spot where you never go geometric bet sizing to go all in by the river. These spots are the hardest for me to play.
Turn is B50 only and river is never a jam/ob and we use small/middling sizing again to target non Jx.
I feel like AA/KK/QQ always call down river here vs smaller sizing so I think I'd underbluff it.
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2
and Database SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($59.38) [VPIP: 24.6% | PFR: 19.7% | AGG: 21.5% | Hands: 1027]
SB ($35.35) [VPIP: 19.8% | PFR: 15.7% | AGG: 34.9% | Hands: 1932]
HERO ($44.58) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 38.3% | Flop Agg: 41% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | 3Bet: 10.5% | 4Bet: 12% | Cold Call: 10% | Hands: 123418]
UTG ($28.35) [VPIP: 28.1% | PFR: 18.7% | AGG: 39.4% | Flop Agg: 38% | Turn Agg: 42.4% | 3Bet: 10.9% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 272]
HJ ($25) [VPIP: 20.9% | PFR: 17% | AGG: 35.3% | Hands: 2666]
CO ($36.88) [VPIP: 23.6% | PFR: 20.2% | AGG: 28.9% | Hands: 896]
Dealt to Hero: T♦ K♠
UTG Raises To $0.50, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.25
Hero SPR on Flop: [25.32 effective]
Flop ($1.10): 3♠ J♥ J♠
HERO Checks, UTG Bets $0.55 (Rem. Stack: $27.30), HERO Raises To $2.20 (Rem. Stack: $41.88), UTG Calls $1.65 (Rem. Stack: $25.65)
Turn ($5.50): 3♠ J♥ J♠ 6♦
HERO ?
Okay important spot where you need to deviate.
Vs the B30-OB stab line as BBvsSB SRP.
Solver will fold most Ax here but we should not. We know paired flops are overbluffed OTT. And even better, the BB will give up too often OTR which will make our turn call very good.
Here is a hand example and I'll post the MDA for this spot.
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SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HJ ($44.91) [VPIP: 72.7% | PFR: 11.4% | AGG: 36.5% | Hands: 46]
CO ($25.98) [VPIP: 24.9% | PFR: 20.9% | AGG: 32.7% | Hands: 709]
BTN ($25.61) [VPIP: 23.9% | PFR: 17.4% | AGG: 45.5% | Hands: 46]
HERO ($29.74) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 38.2% | Flop Agg: 41% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 41.5% | 3Bet: 10.5% | 4Bet: 12% | Hands: 123813]
BB ($31.92) [VPIP: 22.1% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 32% | Flop Agg: 35.3% | Turn Agg: 36.8% | River Agg: 20.5% | 3Bet: 8.9% | 4Bet: 18.6% | Cold Call: 8.8% | Hands: 2746]
Dealt to Hero: 2♦ A♦
HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $0.75, BB Calls $0.50
Hero SPR on Flop: [19.33 effective]
Flop ($1.50): 5♥ 7♦ 7♣
HERO Checks, BB Bets $0.37 (Rem. Stack: $30.80), HERO Calls $0.37 (Rem. Stack: $28.62)
Turn ($2.24): 5♥ 7♦ 7♣ 8♦
HERO Checks, BB Bets $3.08 (Rem. Stack: $27.72), HERO Calls $3.08 (Rem. Stack: $25.54)
River ($8.40): 5♥ 7♦ 7♣ 8♦ 3♣
HERO Checks, BB Checks
Spoiler
BB shows: J♠ 9♠
HERO wins: $7.98
Most regs will give up OTR so we can overfold river if we have a bluff catcher.
MDA here:
Aggregate 37 weak
Now looked at filtered for paired boards
Call all Ax OTT even though a Solver pure folds.
interesting, which stakes is the mda data?
This is a 2.5x special probe spot and then jam river for all the moneys.
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2
SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($36.73) [VPIP: 22.1% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 32% | Hands: 2751]
SB ($79.25) [VPIP: 18.1% | PFR: 12.9% | AGG: 27.1% | Hands: 532]
HERO ($32.52) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 38.2% | Flop Agg: 41% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | 3Bet: 10.5% | 4Bet: 12% | Cold Call: 10% | Hands: 123938]
UTG ($71.15) [VPIP: 20.3% | PFR: 17% | AGG: 34.7% | Flop Agg: 37.8% | Turn Agg: 30% | 3Bet: 10.5% | 4Bet: 22.8% | Hands: 1979]
HJ ($25) [VPIP: 20.8% | PFR: 18.1% | AGG: 41.3% | Hands: 1655]
CO ($25.10) [VPIP: 22.8% | PFR: 17.7% | AGG: 34.8% | Hands: 634]
Dealt to Hero: 2♦ A♦
UTG Raises To $0.55, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.30
Hero SPR on Flop: [26.64 effective]
Flop ($1.20): Q♦ 5♦ 4♠
HERO Checks, UTG Checks
Turn ($1.20): Q♦ 5♦ 4♠ 3♠
HERO Bets $2.90 (Rem. Stack: $29.07)
A couple things I wanted to post today.
Turn probe frequency chart courtesy of Tom from GTO Wizard. I talked to him about probe sizing/frequency based on position and he said there is probably a hard and fast rule of 29%-30% probing across all positions.
Very interesting.
Also starting a Youtube channel.
I need to learn how to edit videos to make them cooler but for now it will just be basic play and explains, although edited to ensure little down time. I also greatly prefer the one table as opposed to multiple tables so you can focus on the action.
Video is here if you want to view the first video.
Good stuff doodoo, a very interesting thread and I've actually gotten tons of material from it, and it has helped my play more than you know. I just wanted to share this graph playing micros (NL10-NL20, a geofenced euro site) as well, I believe your original winrate goals were not too ambitious.
Ofc been probably running well, but our WR is after all a function of our villains' losing rates. I know some people on this thread don't like you for a reason or another, but I've personally found it worth reading through and I have really enjoyed thinking thru hands you've shared 😃.
Good stuff doodoo, a very interesting thread and I've actually gotten tons of material from it, and it has helped my play more than you know. I just wanted to share this graph playing micros (NL10-NL20, a geofenced euro site) as well, I believe your original winrate goals were not too ambitious. Ofc been probably running well, but our WR is after all a function of our villains' losing rates. I know some people on this thread don't like you for a reason or another, but I've personally found it
Really cool to hear this. It's nice to have some positive feedback 😀
I think of this PGC as a kind of symbiotic relationship where I help you learn with ideas and then you help me learn by asking questions or with your own ideas. Also this thread keeps me accountable, which is a strangely motivating factor.
Sick graph and feel free to post some cool hands in here whenever you want.
Also starting a Youtube channel.
I need to learn how to edit videos to make them cooler but for now it will just be basic play and explains, although edited to ensure little down time. I also greatly prefer the one table as opposed to multiple tables so you can focus on the action.
Video is here if you want to view the first video.
I enjoyed hearing you talk through a hand rather than merely seeing it as a HH --- so congrats on the smooth transition! Was surprised by the notetaking. I assumed you were just working off MDA. I guess you can call it modified or applied MDA or something like that.
Hey DDP, I know I’ve seen you post MDF info concerning fish donk bets and BDFD completing rivers. Any insight on this spot? Live $1/$3 Villain is a very loose middle aged guy. Extremely passive pre-flop, will limp high pairs.
V limp MP. Hero overlimp 96ss on BTN. Blinds complete.
Flop: Kh6h9c (pot: $10). Blinds check. V bets $5. Hero raises to $20. Blinds fold V calls.
Turn: Kh6h9c 8c (Pot: $48). V check. Hero bets $40. Villain calls.
River: Kh6h9c 8c 4c (Pot: $127). V donk $100. Hero?
Hey DDP, I know I’ve seen you post MDF info concerning fish donk bets and BDFD completing rivers. Any insight on this spot? Live $1/$3 Villain is a very loose middle aged guy. Extremely passive pre-flop, will limp high pairs.
V limp MP. Hero overlimp 96ss on BTN. Blinds complete.
Flop: Kh6h9c (pot: $10). Blinds check. V bets $5. Hero raises to $20. Blinds fold V calls.
Turn: Kh6h9c 8c (Pot: $48). V check. Hero bets $40. Villain calls.
River: Kh6h9c 8c 4c (Pot: $127). V donk $100. Hero?
Jam turn probably since there’s almost no good rivers for your hand and bigger flop. I’m assuming you are 100bb deep.
I don’t expect players to fold combo draws here and they might even call a naked FD. Another argument for jamming is he might level himself into calling with Kx and put you on a draw.
As played I’d call as he can have a lot of heart draws or JT that missed.
Don’t go geometric sizing vs weak players.
A good rule of thumb is to use the bet sizing that your hand wants, this is especially true vs fish.
Jam turn probably since there’s almost no good rivers for your hand and bigger flop. I’m assuming you are 100bb deep.
I don’t expect players to fold combo draws here and they might even call a naked FD. Another argument for jamming is he might level himself into calling with Kx and put you on a draw.
As played I’d call as he can have a lot of heart draws or JT that missed.
Don’t go geometric sizing vs weak players.
A good rule of thumb is to use the bet sizing that your hand wants, this is especia
Thanks. Hand is played $400 deep, so a little over 100bb. I would like to start finding lines like that. Stuck in autopilot I guess.
I folded river. Villain told me he had a flush but my brother was at the table with me and said he saw that Villain had the Qd in his hand :(
Thanks. Hand is played $400 deep, so a little over 100bb. I would like to start finding lines like that. Stuck in autopilot I guess.
I folded river. Villain told me he had a flush but my brother was at the table with me and said he saw that Villain had the Qd in his hand :(
Yeah it happens.
I’d say just remember the incentives for fish to donk are very high for missed draws, especially live.
Fish love to see runouts and because of this become too emotionally invested in their hand. As a result they end up way over bluffing in their donk lines.
Really cool to hear this. It's nice to have some positive feedback 😀
I think of this PGC as a kind of symbiotic relationship where I help you learn with ideas and then you help me learn by asking questions or with your own ideas. Also this thread keeps me accountable, which is a strangely motivating factor.
Sick graph and feel free to post some cool hands in here whenever you want.
This is probably the sickest one this week when I think about it...
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.57, PFR: 16.68, 3Bet Preflop: 6.07, Hands: 2,042)
UTG: 166.6 BB (VPIP: 41.07, PFR: 5.36, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 56)
MP: 201.8 BB (VPIP: 16.11, PFR: 12.78, 3Bet Preflop: 6.38, Hands: 181)
CO: 144.1 BB (VPIP: 19.41, PFR: 11.62, 3Bet Preflop: 6.35, Hands: 2,303)
Hero (BTN): 179.6 BB
SB: 29.1 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 35.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 81)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ac 9s
fold, fold, CO raises to 5 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 10 BB
Flop : (31.5 BB, 2 players) 7s 5c 4h
CO checks, Hero bets 15.7 BB, CO calls 15.7 BB
Turn : (62.9 BB, 2 players) Qh
CO checks, Hero checks
River : (62.9 BB, 2 players) Qs
CO bets 25 BB, Hero raises to 148.9 BB
This I think looks insane and I don't do this automatically, very much villain specific. Villain folds to 3bets more than 70%, and also has a high fold to CBET stat. They frequently open 4-7 bb for reasons I'm not aware of, that's just what they do. Yes, I'm fully aware I probably should not be here to begin with, but you asked for interesting hands and therefore here we are. OTR, this is a winning move for us if villain folds more than 55% of the time. The question is here facing villains seemingly weakish river block, do they fold often enough? I thought yes, at that time, but honestly not sure. In this particular spot, a major reason I decided to go for it, was the villains' IMO absurdly high 65+ % WSD stat, but would like to hear what you think..
Yeah it happens.
I’d say just remember the incentives for fish to donk are very high for missed draws, especially live.
Fish love to see runouts and because of this become too emotionally invested in their hand. As a result they end up way over bluffing in their donk lines.
That is very helpful and tracks with my experiences. Thanks again.
Enjoying the YT video too.
Making a mental note here for myself to get better at recognizing these spots.
This is a 2.5x probe spot for BB to make IP's AQ indifferent (I know crazy). And then we over 3x pot jam river all in.
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2
and Database SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($25) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 29.2% | AGG: 39.5% | Hands: 72]
SB ($25.35) [VPIP: 21.2% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 40.2% | Hands: 1724]
BB ($30.52) [VPIP: 22.2% | PFR: 14.8% | AGG: 20% | Flop Agg: 23.5% | Turn Agg: 11.1% | River Agg: 33.3% | 3Bet: 6.7% | 4Bet: 25% | Cold Call: 13.7% | Hands: 113]
UTG ($29.04) [VPIP: 56.1% | PFR: 41.5% | AGG: 47.5% | Hands: 44]
HERO ($30.58) [VPIP: 28% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 38.2% | Flop Agg: 40.9% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 41.6% | 3Bet: 10.5% | 4Bet: 12.1% | Hands: 124244]
CO ($33.02) [VPIP: 26.9% | PFR: 15.4% | AGG: 20.8% | Hands: 690]
Dealt to Hero: 6♦ 6♥
UTG Folds, HERO Raises To $0.50, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.25
Hero SPR on Flop: [27.29 effective]
Flop ($1.10): A♣ 7♣ 5♦
BB Checks, HERO Checks
Turn ($1.10): A♣ 7♣ 5♦ 2♦
BB ?
This is probably the sickest one this week when I think about it...
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.57, PFR: 16.68, 3Bet Preflop: 6.07, Hands: 2,042)
UTG: 166.6 BB (VPIP: 41.07, PFR: 5.36, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 56)
MP: 201.8 BB (VPIP: 16.11, PFR: 12.78, 3Bet Preflop: 6.38, Hands: 181)
CO: 144.1 BB (VPIP: 19.41, PFR: 11.62, 3Bet Preflop: 6.35, Hands: 2,303)
Hero (BTN): 179.6 BB
SB: 29.1 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 35.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 81)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Her
River is definitely a winning MDA line in a vacuum because they XR too many value hands OTF and they will size up with a stronger hand OTR.
You know it's just a fold preflop but here is some data for this spot given XC30-X-B (don't have XC50-X-B).
They fold between 64%-72% here For B30-B50 which is over MDF.
Nice p&e Doodoo! Good explainin'
That QThh hand makes for interesting GTO. (using fish call range) Ace BCs being considerably higher EV than all flushes. Betting seems like a mistake but solid fold.
Nice p&e Doodoo. Good explainin'
That QThh hand makes for interesting GTO. (using fish call range) Ace BCs are considerably higher EV than all flushes. Betting seems like a mistake but solid fold.
Thanks Ceres.
Yeah definitely made a mistake on that QThh hand I should never bet river. I was kind of realizing that after the hand as I was trying to find worse hands that would call and couldn’t find many.
Making a mental note here for myself to get better at recognizing these spots.
This is a 2.5x probe spot for BB to make IP's AQ indifferent (I know crazy). And then we over 3x pot jam river all in.
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2
and Database SoftwareNL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($25) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 29.2% | AGG: 39.5% | Hands: 72]
SB ($25.35) [VPIP: 21.2% | PFR: 18.2% | AGG: 40.2% | Hands: 1724]
BB ($30.52)
Do you think river is overfolded on A high flop even after you b250 turn? I think regs are a bit more protected than usual on A high since they like to check back top set and weak Ax sometimes and my intution is they overfold alot turn to b250 so river they will overcall.
I took this line for value in a recent hand cuz im just a nit 🙂
Do you think river is overfolded on A high flop even after you b250 turn? I think regs are a bit more protected than usual on A high since they like to check back top set and weak Ax sometimes and my intution is they overfold alot turn to b250 so river they will overcall.
I took this line for value in a recent hand cuz im just a nit 🙂
I don't have B250 data (not sure anyone has big samples on it but maybe) but we know vs X-F120 they overfold.
I think it is going to be close to MDF OTR in the aggregate but very player dependent vs the P250-Jam3x line.
Some players will always call their AQ and then others will always fold. I need to test out this theory so this is all just pure speculation from me.
Sick hand if I'm reading it correctly. You had a set of 99 and he turned top two right? and then you OB turn/jam river.
I think the huge probe/jam river is really good in spots like that because AT is a 0EV call but I never expect them to fold. But then I do expect them to fold hands like AQ.
My thinking is any sizing that makes someone think and then re-think is going to be a net positive for us.
I eventually would like to do a video on this but I'll wait until I get some hand examples or maybe I'll do a compilation video with just massive probe/jam river sizing's for fun.
Thanks for the hand.
What does B250 mean?
What does X - F120 mean?
