Bad Coaching Thread: Matt Eberflus canned like chunk light tuna
Here's the last line from the box score of yesterday's Loiusville - Kentucky game.
UK TD 0:28
STEVE JOHNSON 57 YD PASS FROM ANDRE' WOODSON
(LONES SEIBER KICK)
Drive info: 8 plays, 74 yards.
UL 34 UK 40
Buffalololololol
Dear Sean McDermott,
What in the actual **** was that?
Signed,
Everybody
Not even guaranteed Ryans would have used his TOs if the Bills ran it. You have to run it that first play and see what happens.
McDermott should have been fired after 13 seconds debacle. He makes the playoffs every year because they have Josh Allen. Wow what an accomplishment.
Stefanski would rather lose his job then make the most obvious QB change in the league.
The Cleveland Browns plan to stick with Deshaun Watson as starting quarterback despite starting 1-4 and fielding the only offense in the NFL that has failed to total 300 yards in a game this season.
"We're not changing quarterbacks," coach Kevin Stefanski said Sunday after the Browns' 34-13 loss to the Washington Commanders. "We need to play better. I need to coach better."
Way to turn a four score game into a four score game.
I gotta say I hate the "X score game" as a reference point, especially when it's often something like 16 going to 13, where they are both "two score games" where one is tied after 2 TD AND 2 successful XP and the other you lead after 2 TD and 2 XP.
In this one, the far more egregious idea is that 3 points is going to help you overcome a 28 point deficit with 23 minutes left than the actual numbers of scores.
We need a thread for smart play calling.
A good example is Oregon up 1 with :10 left in the game so they run out 12 defenders on a 3rd & 25 around midfield to help defend. They gave up 5 yards for the penalty, but it took off 4 seconds from the clock. There is no guarantee an extra defender prevents a big gain but it seems worth the 5 yards.
The Ravens are the smartest team in the NFL in my opinion. I know it's late, but I can't remember if this was ever discussed in here, and it shows you the difference between smart and stupid teams and the advantages it creates:
1st & 10 at KC 25
(2:34 - 4th) I.Pacheco up the middle to KC 32 for 7 yards (R.Darby). PENALTY on BLT, Defensive Too Many Men on Field, 5 yards, enforced at KC 25 - No Play.
1st & 5 at KC 30
(2:28 - 4th) PENALTY on BLT-R.Smith, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at KC 30 - No Play.
1st & 10 at KC 45
Ravens have two timeouts left.
Chiefs only need five yards for a first down.
Chiefs convert 1st down on 1st down: best case Ravens get the ball back with 1:15
Chiefs convert 1st down on 2nd down: best case ravens get the ball back with: :35
Chiefs convert 1st down on 3rd or 4th down: game over
Ravens somehow turned a 2nd and 3 into a 1st and 5 into a 1st and 10 through committing penalties. Obviously, the first wasn't intentional, and 1st and 5 is better than 2nd and 3 for the Chiefs, but have no idea why Reid was so stupid to turn a 1st and 5 into a 1st and 10 to get 15 yards of pointless field position.
I was rooting for the Chiefs and flipped out when they accepted that unnecessary roughness penalty.
They ended up needing a miracle pass to MVS on 3rd and 9 or they would have given the ball back to the Ravens with > 2 minutes left.
It was actually closer to 2nd and 2.5 yards, which is easier to make 1st down than 1st and 5, at least in that situation (3 runs to gain 2.5 yards > most likely 3 plays to gain 5 yards). So Reid made 2 tactical errors.
The Ravens are the smartest team in the NFL in my opinion. I know it's late, but I can't remember if this was ever discussed in here, and it shows you the difference between smart and stupid teams and the advantages it creates:
1st & 10 at KC 25
(2:34 - 4th) I.Pacheco up the middle to KC 32 for 7 yards (R.Darby). PENALTY on BLT, Defensive Too Many Men on Field, 5 yards, enforced at KC 25 - No Play.
1st & 5 at KC 30
(2:28 - 4th) PENALTY on BLT-R.Smith, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at KC
They also pulled off this beaut against the Bengals a while ago.
We need a thread for smart play calling.
A good example is Oregon up 1 with :10 left in the game so they run out 12 defenders on a 3rd & 25 around midfield to help defend. They gave up 5 yards for the penalty, but it took off 4 seconds from the clock. There is no guarantee an extra defender prevents a big gain but it seems worth the 5 yards.
If this guy was really smart he’d have STFU instead of bragging about it and getting the rule immediately changed.
I liked Belichick with the ineligible receiver trick he pulled against the Ravens. Of course the league outlawed it later.
I liked Belichick with the ineligible receiver trick he pulled against the Ravens. Of course the league outlawed it later.
He'd also have players trying to call timeout (when out of timeouts) when other team was kicking a late FG. The refs had to ignore it but I could see the kicking team getting confused.
Kyle putting on an absolute masterclass of terrible on 3rd and 4th down today
Shanahan and Pierce both with horrible decisions today on how many points to get.
In what spots?
Shanahan bad, but thread ought to be renamed for Pierce this year
4th & Goal at LAR 9
(2:46 - 4th) D.Carlson 27 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Bobenmoyer, Holder-A.Cole.
Touchdown 49ers
(10:32 - 3rd) B.Purdy up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
Then...
Extra Point No Good
A.Carlson extra point is No Good, Hit Left Upright, Center-T.Pepper, Holder-M.Wishnowsky.
I don't think either of those are bad? The Raiders were going on 4th and 4 but got a false start. I think it's reasonable to say "kick a 27y FG + get a stop + score a TD" is at least equal to "convert a 4th and G from 9 + get a 2pc + get a stop + score in reg or win OT coinflip". I think it's a much more clear go down 7 rather than 8.
On the 49ers, it's early enough were maximizing expected points is probably correct, though obv it's a defense-forward game.
For sure, can't see any universe where either is "horrible"
kicking PAT down 2 is a horrible decision unless they are trying to run it in from 25 yard line or something
if the charts are correct, being even compared to down 1 adds 8.4% to win probability, while there's not much of a difference between -2 and -1 (1.8%)
The fact that charts have been created to show the point differential scenarios where you should go for 1 or 2 while coaches continue to be suboptimal boggles the mind.
I don't think either of those are bad? The Raiders were going on 4th and 4 but got a false start. I think it's reasonable to say "kick a 27y FG + get a stop + score a TD" is at least equal to "convert a 4th and G from 9 + get a 2pc + get a stop + score in reg or win OT coinflip". I think it's a much more clear go down 7 rather than 8.
On the 49ers, it's early enough were maximizing expected points is probably correct, though obv it's a defense-forward game.
For sure, can't see any universe wher
I was hoping Raiders went for 4th and goal @ 9, but for different reasons.
Down 5 with 2:46 and 3 TO when Rams had done sh*t on offense all day was not a bad situation. If one were honest about Minshew's chances of getting TD there it was not a bad decision by Pierce, maybe borderline wrong but I'm not running the numbers to find out.
Where Pierce blew it was not taking his TOs when Rams got a 1st down with 2:40. Instead, he let the clock wind down to 2:00, at worst ruining his chance at getting the ball before 2 min warning, and at best burning 15 seconds of time. That is at minimum losing 3 plays, which is huge in that situation.
