JJ OOP in a 3b pot vs raise

In theory you should never cbet 1/3pot here, you are supposed to have a polar range with some trash and some strong hands, and villain is supposed to fold 22, 66 and even 99 preflop at some frequency (for 99 I have a big doubt). I think many people use 1/2pot or check, I use 2/3 pot or check.

As played I would just 3bet flop, there is no card we really want to see on the turn.

x/c against smaller sizes like 25-50% pot. Bigger than that you can probably fold.

Why cbet 1/4 pot on 962r ? I think its a case of try to get money in asap. What do you rly get value from with the 1/4 pot bet that you don't with a bigger 2/3 pot bet? Pairs will call anyway . Hands like KQs or AQ might call the 1/4 pot but do you rly want that to happen?

In 3bp you can cbet all overpairs very often as long as V doesn't have higher PP's in their range. So in this case BBvCO beting JJ often is good. In tighter positions you can start checking hands like TT & JJ and bet higher OPs more often. What comes to flop sizing I agree with others that you should bet bigger, like 2/3 or 3/4. You want to pile in money fast when there are very few turn & river cards that that rob equity from overpairs. This means that you should bet at bit smaller on two-tone flops because more than 1/4th of the deck will rob a lot of equity from overpairs where you need to start playing more checks and have to fold turns & rivers at some frequency.

As played I think villain can raise flop and bet turn with worse sometimes, so probably not folding turn. OTR vs any normal size bet I don't think calling is good. What are villains natural bluff candidates? Vs someone that likely has low SC's in their opening and 3b calling range and is on the aggressive side, calling river might be OK imo

For some reason the thought of just b-3b on the flop didnt even cross my mind until after the hand, and even after i wrote the post (i edited it in). Its like it wasnt even an option. Maybe i was afraid of calling down a guy who i had as weak passive and being wrong as i always do.

You guys are right, i should have probably cbet bigger and 3b if raised. A learning moment for me i guess. Thanks all.

Results:

Isn't betting 1/3 pretty standard on dry fliops like these? I know this is 1/4 in this hand but just thinking

I checked GTO wizard with my exact hand and i think it bets mostly 3/4 with some percentage of 1/2 (cant check again rn because i only have the free version).

Cool 😀

9 high flops that aren't straights/too connected we can get away with range betting usually, it's not really a mistake. But also usually a solver will funnel polarisation into vulnerable OPs like here for protection/value.

Thats what i originally thought. And if they raise, we get it in?

I'd be pretty wary if they raised a big cbet on a bone dry board like this. Would need a decent read (or QQ+) to gii

Do you mean we range cbet big here?

No

Ok then i dont get it. You are saying we can range cbet small, i guess. I was asking what do we do when raised (in general and with that specific hand)?

Well, the actual result is in the thread and you can look at it. I think depending on the player (i dont remember what kind of a player i played this against) you could expect 87s, lower pairs or overcards (maybe with backdoor flush draws) as well.