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Not here, i think i got banned for short amount of times repeatedly during those elections and i gave up.
Not sure what you think my position is, did i write that democrats shouldn't call Trump an authoritarian or a fascist or a nazi? i think it's silly and not working but if they think they gain politically by doing that for sure they should do that.
Just don't claim false things like thinman did.
In case anyone was interested, Luciom, who lives in this subforum now, has no record of a single post in politics a year ago and beyond despite having a registered account for almost 20 years
Do with this info what you will
In case anyone was interested, Luciom, who lives in this subforum now, has no record of a single post in politics a year ago and beyond despite having a registered account for a decade
Do with this info what you will
I am pretty sure i got banned by someone with a nick like Wook or something like that , for normal rightwing libertarian takes, various times , in like early 2017
Are you saying that you got banned somewhere on the internet for complaining about people calling HRC a pedophile? I can't imagine what sort of internet toilet you must have been swirling around back in 2016 for that to have been a bannable offense.
uh? i am saying i wasn't here because i got banned here just by writing normal rightwing stuff (worse moderation than there is now) so i wasn't around to discuss HRC or anything else that much
Wookie, lol. Yeah man, Wookie was straight ideologue. He pretty much banned me for being a right winger lol. And he also hated the word "c..." well, you guys know the word. He hated it so much that we got in a big debate about it over at UP.
Anyway, the long and short of it is that wookie was a dick. That doesn't make you more or less of a dick, but wookie banning you means **** all.
What Roe allowed was a ban in the second trimester if it put the mother life at risk to abort, the opposite of what you think it did.
You're misconstruing what I wrote 100% what I wrote is what you wrote right there--I just simplified it to 2nd tri/health of the mother/states can regulate. Most people more or less agree on those things. Anything beyond trimester 1 accounts for a tiny overall% of abortions anyway. So making a giant fight about the few beyond it is just more silliness considering the bigger picture.
We saw what the nuts wanted when they started coming out 5-6wk bans(effectively complete bans) and have since softened to the 12-15wks+exceptions thing ie what we essentially already had.
Yeah, it was pretty funny watching moron right wingers reinventing Roe after realizing 5 weeks was ludicrous and unpopular.
"Orthogonal", as I'm sure you know, is a generalisation of "perpendicular". It's a fairly specific mathematical term, but what makes it somewhat interesting is the fact it's a generalisation. Regardless, unless you're mathematician, you probably shouldn't be using it.
It gets used in academic/non-mathematical contexts often enough that people need to be familiar with it.
*Tangential is another such term.
Right they went from against Roe to pro Roe without changing their values because they are easy to manipulate sheep and morons who had no idea what being against Roe meant. This is why when you go to rural Trump plus 40 areas it will be hard to have a conversation about anything with anyone on an adult level.
their supposed values are that it's murder. is it less murder at 6 weeks than it is at 10 weeks? is it less murder to kill a two year old than a 15 year old?
the answer is it's not about values. it's about control of other people.
The pro-life zealots are probably the biggest hypocrites the world has ever seen
‘It’s our problem til it’s born, it’s your problem from there’
Originally Posted by Luciom
My argument was calling Trump a fascist incites exceptionally more violence than calling Kamala a communist. Notice how that is completly orthogonal to how much the label is correct.
Even if trump was 100% a fascist under all definitions, calling him such would incite violence, same as calling a convicted pedo a pedo 24/7 on national television would increase the chances he gets attacked in the streets.
Despite it upsetting rococo, that logic is correct. Speech has cosnequences and we have responsibity for what we say. if trump was a fascist it would still be correct that you bear some responsibility.
Whether that's a bad thing is another matter. Some will argue it's a good thing to call him out - a civic responsibity they might avoid saying. That's because it has consenquences you have some responsible for.
None of which reduces trump's responibility. Responsibility is not a zero sum game.
Wookie, lol. Yeah man, Wookie was straight ideologue. He pretty much banned me for being a right winger lol. And he also hated the word "c..." well, you guys know the word. He hated it so much that we got in a big debate about it over at UP.
Anyway, the long and short of it is that wookie was a dick. That doesn't make you more or less of a dick, but wookie banning you means **** all.
I made such an okay joke about that but sadly some people only pretend to watch Stewart Lee so they didn't get
Pretending trump isn’t something he very clearly is cuz it offends the sensibilities of people who like him while still allowing him to declare the left as vermin, immigrants as poison, people who don’t vote for him as the enemy from within, targeting election workers, targeting politicians, inciting violence directly and indirectly, refusing to accept any election he loses or even the optics of defeat (he only lost the popular vote against HRC cuz 70 billion illegals voted), saying that left to his own devices deploying the military against American citizens should be an option and yet we worry about ‘oh man is it a bridge too far to call a fascist a fascist?’ is the kinda whataboutism whitewashing of trump that doesn’t even deserve to be treated with respectful discussion
Remember that radical Harris supporter who was so radicalized to violence by Harris calling Trump a fascist that he live-streamed his beheading of his MAGA father and held up his head to the camera?
Ya. I too am worried that Kamala is inciting disproportionate levels of violence with her angry words
Oh wait that was a MAGA thinking he’s a patriot by beheading his dad for being a federal employee and as such a traitor? Whoops. Still though. Harris must tone down the rhetoric
Remember when that radical Harris supporter invaded the home of Mike Johnson with intent to kill him, couldn’t find him and instead beat his wife with a hammer? ****ing Kamala man
Oh wait. But still. Kamala must stop inciting violence with her words
Despite it upsetting rococo, that logic is correct. Speech has cosnequences and we have responsibity for what we say. if trump was a fascist it would still be correct that you bear some responsibility.
Whether that's a bad thing is another matter. Some will argue it's a good thing to call him out - a civic responsibity they might avoid saying. That's because it has consenquences you have some responsible for.
None of which reduces trump's responibility. Responsibility is not a zero sum game.
I am not upset, and I obviously was exaggerating. But only a touch. Sure, the people calling Trump an authoritarian or whatever have some responsibility for raising the temperature. But their level of responsibility is truly miniscule compared to his level of responsibility.
Just yesterday the army unsealed documents about an Arlington cemetery campaign stop where they themselves concluded an army official was assaulted but she had declined to press charges cuz she was terrified of being targeted by those radical Harris supporters
I could of course go on with literally hundreds of examples but you bozos will handwave them as ‘doesn’t matter cuz kamala is just as bad cuz something something fascist threat to democracy is a mean thing to say about trump’
And that is why you are intellectually dishonest bootlickers of the highest order
Remember when that radical Harris supporter invaded the home of Mike Johnson with intent to kill him, couldn’t find him and instead beat his wife with a hammer? ****ing Kamala man
Oh wait. But still. Kamala must stop inciting violence with her words
That wasn't the story at all there with Pelosi fwiw.
This is literally MAGA in a ****ing nutshell. ‘I have the right to do or say whatever I want whether it can be proven or not but also you must play by my rules that I won’t hold myself to’
