3betting AKo from UTG+1

Against the minraise sizing, you can call one here. 3betting would be spew on this dry board. I don’t mind just folding I guess.

The nice thing about calling is he might check the turn and give you two shots at drilling what is presumably a six-outer.

I'm not folding to this min-raise. Call and see the turn.

For what its worth, in 6 max utg vs hj 3 bet pot (TBH 9 max gets wonky imo so i dont use it), gto very regularly bets half pot then gets check raised 33%, and it mixes AKo, mostly folding which means against a typical V this is a pure fold (nobody is bluffing as much as gto on a check raise)

The thing is, beyond the fact that 88+ is all a better call than AK, a hand like KQ or QJ is basically just as good as AK here, so if you thought V was capable, youd still fold, because you would float with suited cards that give you the BDFD

The issue is you really shouldnt have cbet in the first place. AKo has decent showdown value thst youve basically turned into a bluff, plus its really sad when it gets check raised

When I looked more closely at this sim, presumable with similar settings, it looks like the 75/25 fold to call ratio to the flop c/r looks to be based on suits, with the bot always folding the 3 hands when the AKo hits two suits on the flop, whereas the sim seems indifferent for the other 5 combinations...interesting...

Tomark is right, check range here, please.

I'm folding to the raise.

Just to clarify an omission: V check-raised the flop. Buster and Tomark: you advise checking back, right?

Yes

Yes i recommend checking back, but i dont think its some terrible error. When I encourage friends of mine to 3 bet more often, i tell them its so profitable that you can blind cbet half pot and id expect them to show a profit. So although I think checking back is better. I think overcbetting flop and then playing face up ott and river is a perfectly fine simplification if you arent super familar with 3 bet pots. (For those who arent familiar though, I do also recommend studying these spots and becoming familiar though, because this should be bread and butter thick profit spots)

Greater detail stuff like thst doesnt really matter. The reason for the suitedness has to do with what V is continuing with which is pretty irrelevant in live poker. You gotta remember, anywgere that gto is mixing is “zero ev” (ostensibly but not ub reality), and the percentages have to do with making the particular mix un exploitable by an opponent’s mix of bluffs, which doesnt even matter at the very highest levels of play. And as for the percentages, honestly if it was folding to the check raise 1% of the time id be recommending pure folding it.

If you ever look at the range the sim raises with, youd never ever imagine a real V raising that often. Here GTO is raising with hands like A5s, AQs, J9s, QJs.

When he flats pre we have to assume he's calling a cbet on that flop so I would most likely have checked it back, but as played I'm folding to the c/r.

Results: Hero folded. V mucked.

I know it's probably just me but I'd rather fold from UTG+1 vs an UTG raise before flatting.

Cold calling is fine and all, but 3 bets > > > cold calls generally. At 9 max GTOw 3 bets AKo 90% of the time. But GTOw also 3 bets KTs at near 100% frequency, and occasioanlly 3 bets hands like K5s, 65s, 87s, etc, so although its perfectly fine to cold call AKo, you would need to find some of these other 3 bets.

Generally players 3 bet much closer to an accurate (but too linear) 3 bet % from EP/facing an EP raise, because players dont play positionally aware enough. Like, UTG+1 should be 3 betting 4.7% vs UTG, btn vs BB onky goes up to 5.6%, but CO vs btn is 11.6%. Its much easier to find 4.7% 3 bets than 11.6%, especially because players tend to almost never make the “spazzy” seeming 3 bets.

Another way to look at it: you should be 3 betting as btn facing a CO raise almost as frequently as you should open raise from UTG. You should be 3 betting as the BB facing a button raise MORE than you should be open raising from UTG.

GTOw plays a pure 3 bet or fold strat with NL50 rake, but its not folding AKo

Pre seems fine to me, at this stack depth.

Yes, I will sometimes flat pre with AKo, but usually only from LP or the blinds, not in EP, when it's likely to go multi-way or get squeezed. I think 3B'ing is probably best, more often than not.

Flop could be a check back or small c-bet. $25 into $65 may be a tad large, but doesn't seem egregious.

Hard to find a fold in response to a min-click x/r. But also hard to think what thick value hands V has that really want to x/r the flop on such a dry board.

I don't think it's a terrible mistake to call the raise, because V should have some check-raise give ups on the turn. But if we think V just always has thick value, I might make an "eff you" fold.

If we do call flop, and he barrels turn on an A or K, I'd be very leery of continuing.