JT97ds
5-10 PLO. V on btn is a decent reg, pretty tight and somewhat balanced. About 2K eff.
Hero in HJ with JT97ds all red
Pre: MP limps 10, hero iso 45, only V calls
Flop (115) : Q74ccs
Check check
Turn (115) : Jccc
Hero checks V bets 75
9 Replies
call and see riv I suppose. If hes a decent reg you play with a lot letting him just x flop bet turn ip opens the door to getting abused if youre gonna fold 2pr and a holdem straight draw , even if it is 3c board and you hold no clubs.
The biggest problem I have with c/c here is that a balanced range from him includes QJ and possibly some AKQx type hands with a single club blocker. I think he's probably going to follow this up with a river bet enough of the time when he's bluffing, giving up when he beats us, etc. This obviously must be the bottom of our turn c/c range and it's not like we have many sets this way either. There's no particular reason to expect him to bet a wide range of pure flush draws on the flop. I might call turn for <~$40. I like all streets so far.
Why not though? I assume you should be checking what +80% on the flop and your sets have no incentive to probe the turn.
For me it's a call, but yes you are very close to the bottom of the continuing range.
Sets have huge incentive to bet the turn. There's now only a 2 that doesn't fill a straight. The straight draws will likely check back if we check and not call if we bet. And if we've got JJJ and he's got QQQ, just pay the man. If he's got a flush, we have ~23%, and when we check a fd board and then bet when the fd comes in, we sure don't look like we have a set and can get paid off well if the board pairs.
We don't have many sets here because there's only 1 high card on the flop and it's not that high, there's no particular reason to expect him to bet wide on the flop so we should bet in anticipation of him checking back equity, and regardless of whether you actually bet this flop with top set, he'll be expecting you to do so. We certainly shouldn't be looking to c/c turn and rep the Q or 4 here.
I call and see a river, but I can get behind a fold if this guy is rarely betting turn w/o a flush.
Sets have huge incentive to bet the turn. There's now only a 2 that doesn't fill a straight. The straight draws will likely check back if we check and not call if we bet. And if we've got JJJ and he's got QQQ, just pay the man. If he's got a flush, we have ~23%, and when we check a fd board and then bet when the fd comes in, we sure don't look like we have a set and can get pai
I mean maybe I'm just doing it wrong, but I'd check sets that mostly have something else (straightening cards) on this board. I'd expect villain to bluff with some straight draws. I'd be betting a bit more polarized even OOP.
On Q74s I honestly check range vs IP.
I mean maybe I'm just doing it wrong, but I'd check sets that mostly have something else (straightening cards) on this board. I'd expect villain to bluff with some straight draws. I'd be betting a bit more polarized even OOP.
On Q74s I honestly check range vs IP.
I'll check range on some K high boards in this spot but I don't much like the idea of checking range in general, and not on a board with a flush draw and wraps available.
Checking sets that come with extras is good. Checking sets with no extras is pretty dangerous as they'll take a bunch of free cards with hands that they might call our bet with.
why i don't like checking range? well, for one thing, aggression is in my nature. secondly, checking range is in part predicated on solver strat, and people don't follow solver strat that much (i play live and low stakes online). it's also predicated on aggression, and, again, in the games i play, at least, people aren't aggressive enough. they check behind a lot, meaning that checking range gives free cards away more than you want to, fails to build a pot when you could, fails to steal a pot at the most opportune moment. if you're checking range because you think they're overaggressive, and their response to that check is to bet way less frequently, you're playing into their hands. it's a handy weapon to have in your tool, but taking any one action with your entire range tends to be anti-theory.
