4bet bluffing frequencies
So I've been working on my 4bet bluffing ranges and been looking at GTOW for cues on frequencies ie. how much of our range should be bluffs. So in GTOW when it 4bets from say MP vs a button 3bet and button shoves, the solver will fold to the shove 52% of the time. But according to fold equity calculation a jam is profitable with like 55 if mp folds more than 47%. So, if someone was playing GTO and they did not adjust, you could just jam a PP over their 4bet and print, right? What am i missing here? Rake?
EDIT: I plugged in MP's exact calling range vs shove and 55 has 32.3% so should need 48% not 47%, but question still stands. I'm guessing it's rake. Also, what's your opinion on optimal bluff/value ratio when 4betting in general.
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Rake plays big role in 3b/4b/5b spots. Thinking of it as "4b bluffs" is probably not the best, and any "ratio" is going to be heavily influenced by sizings and folding frequencies for ip/oop.
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Rake plays big role in 3b/4b/5b spots. Thinking of it as "4b bluffs" is probably not the best, and any "ratio" is going to be heavily influenced by sizings and folding frequencies for ip/oop.
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it depends
In essence with 4bet bluffs i'm refering to any hand you 4bet with the intention to fold to an all in. This is important when considering our susceptibility to being printed on with 5bet bluffs. I understand that some of our 4bets 'bluffs' have a value element when villain calls. Things are influenced by sizings ofc. But if we assume 100bb stacks and regular GTO sizings. On a side note I remember when you was new here brokenstars 😃 still around it see!
Pp also block folds and unblock calls, so they generate less fold equity.
You can add rake to your calculation easily. Just exchange equity in calculator by effective equity, use this formula
effEQ=(POT after rake)/200*EQ
So if rake is capped at 5BB
EffEQ=195/200*EQ
That is true but the effect is negated a bit by other bluff candidates having less equity when the money goes in.
You can add rake to your calculation easily. Just exchange equity in calculator by effective equity, use this formula
effEQ=(POT after rake)/200*EQ
So if rake is capped at 5BB
EffEQ=195/200*EQ
It's been so long since I did these calculations I forgot how to do them and i'm too lazy to relearn 😃 so just use that internet one now. So using your forumula I'm guessing the number add up then?
55 is one hand I wouldnt 5b jam since ppl love to 4b bluff A5s
