[1/3] TT on BTN
V1 ($320) - Semi tight preflop, loose postflop. Doesn't like raising much "to not scare people away from the pot". Seen him call with QQs, JJs..etc preflop.
V2 ($500) - New to the table. Seems like a reg. Has poker cards tattoo in his forearm.
Hero ($280) - TAG
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UTG+1 limps, V1 on HJ ROLs to $12, V2 on CO calls, Hero calls with T♣ T♥, UTG+1 folds.
FLOP: 4♠ 5♠ 9♠ ($43)
V1 bets $20, V2 folds, H calls
TURN: 4♥ ($83)
V1 checks, Hero bets $27, V1 Re-raises to $60, Hero calls
RIVER: J♦ ($203)
V1 insta shoves all-in in a nervous manner while the dealer was putting the card on the table.
Hero??
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sorry i play almost every street different
pf easy 3b. OOP i can see just calling to set mine. but here < 100BB deep you should be 3betting this hand looking to stack off on any board that doesnt have an A or K in it.
i check the turn behind
turn if i bet i would fold to the CR
as played fold the river.
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im guessing, ironically, that if you folded this river, you would have lost more if you played the hand correctly. because once you 3 bet pre and get the SPR to 2 you are going broke on this board if he flopped a flush.
3bet preflop is 100% mandatory
sorry i play almost every street different
pf easy 3b. OOP i can see just calling to set mine. but here < 100BB deep you should be 3betting this hand looking to stack off on any board that doesnt have an A or K in it.
i check the turn behind
turn if i bet i would fold to the CR
as played fold the river.
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im guessing, ironically, that if you folded this river, you would have lost more if you played the hand correctly. because once you 3 bet pre and get the SPR to 2 you are going broke on this boar
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Don't try to fool people by calling yourself TAG if you're not squeezing here.
Flop call is fine. Turn is interesting, I don't completely hate a bet to deny equity to hands like AsKx but at the same time you can be losing to overpairs a lot here as well as stronger hands. Checking behind is probably prudent although I'd say it's close. Facing the CR and the river shove you need to work out the proportion of AsXx hands (and rare King-high flush draws) compared with strong hands, and also whether he'd play overpairs this way. The instashove probably reduces the chances of his holding being an overpair - even a hand like AsAx will surely take a moment to think here - so makes it tempting to call. Obviously a spade in your hand would be better. Lame answer but this may be player dependent. Does the paired board make it more likely for him to bluff? Only egregious on your part mistake is preflop, others are debatable. I probably check the turn and fold to the CR, but as played may call the river
I would check the turn.
I don't think the flat call is bad in a 1/3 game. Some people are raising really tight and will flat call with JJ/QQ and then flat your 3!. You have good odds for your set 3 or 4 way and you have position. I would rather 3! light with a suited connector or something than thin value like this.
Against a tight open I think flatting tens is ok.
Turn is close, I probably check back most of the time.
River he just overbet jammed instantly on a wet board. We have a pretty bad bluff catcher without a spade. Just fold.
I don't mind the flat pre vs a tight player who's limped jacks and queens.
I would also check back the turn for pot control, and if I was betting I would just bet in 5 dollar increments but that's just me. I'm snap folding to the c/r, and as played folding otr.
I'm fine with just flatting preflop (especially against a tight raiser).
I don't hate calling the flop in position to see what he does on the turn. But against tight players in a multiway pot, I think I might just lean to a fold here (as the best we're ever doing is actually behind to overs + draw).
When checked to on the turn I probably go about half pot. What is our thinking calling a late street check/raise? I'm snap folding.
And I fold again on the river. Are we supposed to read "loose postflop" as maniacal?
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I don't mind the flat pre vs a tight player who's limped jacks and queens.
I would also check back the turn for pot control, and if I was betting I would just bet in 5 dollar increments but that's just me. I'm snap folding to the c/r, and as played folding otr.
This. No reason to 3bet TT vs. someone who limps JJ/QQ. Zero reason to bet turn. Zero reason to call the raise on the turn (we don't even have a spade). Snap fold river.
So...V1 "doesn't like raising much" because he doesn't want to scare people away, and we've seen him flat call with QQ/JJ, but he's raising here? What do we think that means?
To me, it either means he does have a raising range, but it's AA/KK, or his raising range is BS, because he flats with his big PP's.
It would help to know which it is. If he's only raising AA/KK, we can happily muck TT. If he's never raising his big PP's, then this is an automatic mandatory 3B pre.
Once we get tot he flop the way we do, we're kind of lost. I probably flat call the flop 1/2 pot c-bet.
When V checks turn, I don't mind the bet, but I think we want to bet bigger, like 1/2 pot, not 1/4-1/3 pot. But it's probably better just checking back. If he's on a draw, or just has two overs, he's drawing pretty slim.
Once he x/r's, I mostly just fold. This hand feels stupid with TcTh, and I just let him have it. He's so rarely going to be bluffing here, with three to a flush on a paired board. This is almost always flopped sets or 2P that boated up on the turn.
also people who flat JJ and QQ also can open raise much worse hands pre. i wouldnt draw any information from that.
so i would still 3b pre.