Israel/Palestine thread
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No where do you deny that Area C divides the West Bank into contained cantons. The 6% Israel was to keep was all spread out like a snake.
And what happened after the ridiculous offers? The Oslo process was still underway, it just hadn't reached a final status agreement. What happened then? Likud ended Oslo. So it's a mendacious like to say the PLO torpedoed Oslo.
everything is factually wrong in this post. literally everything.
. The 6% Israel was to keep was all spread out like a snake - the 4% area that Israel was suppose to keep does not divide anything and is not spread at all. the Palestinian state would have had no interior borders.
The Oslo process was still underway - the first part of the accord- The transfer of civil government to the Palestinians was already done. the second part- the final peace agreement, was never reached. no "process" was still underway.
Likud ended Oslo- this is a complete lie. I cant even bother.
So it's a mendacious like to say the PLO torpedoed Oslo - it is stated black on white in formal PLO and Fatah documents. and Hamas never agreed even to negotiate with Israel. so who is being mendacious ?
The offers did not include an end to the occupation. They were not serious offers, and for all his mistakes, Arafat was no traitor.
I think the Israelis always tactically insisted on hegemony over East Jerusalem, which they knew the Arabs couldn't accept, on account of Jerusalem being the Palestinian Arab capital.
I think the Israelis always tactically insisted on hegemony over East Jerusalem, which they knew the Arabs couldn't accept, on account of Jerusalem being the Palestinian Arab capital.
again not true.
Israel rejected the demand to make Jerusalem an international city (whatever that means) and to give full rights on "the old city" to the Palestinians.
East Jerusalem was a compromise Israel was willing to make.
I sincerely feel bad for the Lebanese
If resolution 1701 was upheld there would be no issue
The current ceasefire agreements call for the Lebanese army to control the border and make sure Hezbollah is demilitirized. That is near impossible, they aren't strong enough
Israel will have to keep a presence
I feel bad for that "hello my enemies" guy. He's not long for the earth.
Just on a smaller scale
Victor
When was the most recent election in Gaza?
When was the most recent election in The West Bank?
Do you actually want free and fair elections?
Just on a smaller scale
I wasnt actually addressing the murder of jews, but the mass extermination of soviets between 1917 and 1953.
I recommend to all to read The Gulag Archipelago by Solzhenitsyn. I would rate it as top ten on my list.
Good to see some more pushback on the onslaught of misinformation that’s been allowed to spread throughout the thread.
Just on a smaller scale
according to your article it was mostly White Russians and antisemitic local Ukrainians. ie not Soviets.
Area C in blue.
again not true.
Israel rejected the demand to make Jerusalem an international city (whatever that means) and to give full rights on "the old city" to the Palestinians.
East Jerusalem was a compromise Israel was willing to make.
Jordan controlled east Jerusalem for 20 years.
Jews and Christians couldn't worship there
Israel gained control in 1967 and allows Jordan to control the Muslim sites in East Jerusalem to ensure that people of all 3 major religions can worship in Jerusalem
I agree with you. Israel is not giving rights of the Old City to the Palestinians. Ever
As evidence of Society doing "holocaust" he provided an article about non-Soviets. I think we are starting to see the issue. For some of us words have meaning. For others, well, they don't believe in words.
Like you called me a holocaust denier bc I gave mild pushback on the absurd claim that Soviets murdered 60m people.
This is even more ridiculous considering it was the Soviets that stopped the actual Holocaust.
Like you called me a holocaust denier bc I gave mild pushback on the absurd claim that Soviets murdered 60m people.
This is even more ridiculous considering it was the Soviets that stopped the actual Holocaust.
first address the above post by me. then please educate me how many soviets were murdered in the USSR between 1917 and 1953. if you have a different number, please enlighten me.
Solzhenitsyn is turning in his grave right now.
60m probably an exaggeration, but it's still a lot. The Holodomor alone was a genocidal attempt which killed 5-7 million Ukrainians.
Victor, are you aware that Hitler was actually only the third biggest mass-murderer in the 20th century?
I would guess it's more around 30m
60m probably an exaggeration, but it's still a lot. The Holodomor alone was a genocidal attempt which killed 5-7 million Ukrainians.
Holomodor killed 7-8 millions of which 4-5 minion Ukrainian.
approx 2m killed in the equivalent 4 year long kazakhi famine.
500-600k cossacks
then a million in the great purge.
then ofc you have to decide how many red army soldiers were used like Cannon fodder on purpose (and so died without rationale when their lives could have been preserved) by leaders that completely disregarded their citizens lives.
