Israel/Palestine thread

I mean, the point I think you were trying to make is that Israel is more accepting of Muslims than Muslim countries are accepting of Jews, and that may be accurate. I’d need to do more research before committing to that idea, but it is a claim that can be debated.

As to how or in what way that relates to the *Palestinian cause would need to be further explained to me I suppose.

The over confident Arabs promised the Nakba people that they would be able to come back to their homes. Unfortunately they got their butts kicked and no longer had a say in this. I don't know how a Jew living there during that time could feel safe if these people came back.

I don’t think Israel being more tolerant of Muslims than Muslim and Arab countries are of Jews is debatable. Maybe it’s my Western bias but if you're a Jew who has Israel on your passport, you don’t want to go to basically any other country in the ME, for your own safety.

When Jordan annexed the west bank and gave the Palestinians citizenship, and then took it away, should the Palestinians have he right to get their Jordanian citizenship back?

Is jordan an apartheid state for keeping 3rd and 4th generation refugees in camps when their ancestors had Jordanian citizenship?

Serious questions. Looking forward to your insight

At the time, it probably seemed like a safe bet that the Arab League would river to sea the Jews , given that it was 7v1 and other factors. Bad beat.

Israel stopped stamping passports decades ago. People with Israeli stamps were not allowed in many of these countries for decades

[QUOTE=metsandfinsfan;58778580]When Jordan annexed the west bank and gave the Palestinians citizenship, and then took it away, should the Palestinians have he right to get their Jordanian citizenship back?

Is jordan an apartheid state for keeping 3rd and 4th generation refugees in camps when their ancestors had Jordanian citizenship?

Im not familiar enough with either of these situations. so, maybe?

Yes, it's not debatable

But I do think it's changing

The more the Abraham Accords expand, the more tolerance in the middle east.

Wait

You aren't familiar that many current Palestinians were given Jordanian citizenship?
Or that Jordan occupied the west bank for 20 years?
Or that Jordan annexed the west bank?
Or that they took away their citizenship?
Or that any of them that seemed refuge in the country they were once citizens of were put into camps?
Or that their progeny are currently still in refugee camps?

My G-d

I shouldn't be surprised that you really know nothing about the actual history of the Palestinian people

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Eff that

I call bullshit

You must be aware of all of this but you don't give a ****

You hold Israel to a completely different standard on purpose. You are well aware that you do

At least admit it bro

Good to hear it’s changing. I can’t recall if I had my passport stamped when I visited almost 20 years ago now, but I was cautioned on the ramifications of visiting Israel.

I said I wasnt familiar enough.

Are you claiming that in the 1948 war the Arab League had 7:1 more soldiers? No, that is way off. The Jewish soldiers outnumbered the Arabs by a considerable margin. The IDF didn't even have to divert most of the troops carrying out the Plan Dalet expulsions to face the Arab League.

not even worth engaging the transparent trolling that has gone on today.

so the whole Uncommitted Movement was not just controlled opposition but actually paid opposition. pretty sure luckbox would have predicted this.

now all of a sudden victor understand the idea of a just war at all costs. funny when it comes to ukranians who want freedom he calls them nazis.

Ok, so everything after the dotts is not allowed. I’m REALLY trying to give you a chance to readjust to posting here, but Mets… DO NOT characterize other posters or their intentions or it’s gonna be back out the door.

It’s ONE thing you have to avoid. Please, I’m begging you, TRY.

7 nations vs 1. But I didn’t know that the Zionist forces outnumbered the Arabs, always thought it was the other way around. Truly Western bias.

The Yishuv helped the British put down the Arab revolt in 1938 and had considerable training and experience. In contrast the Arab armies were from brand new nations, often still deeply influenced by the British.

Allowed?

Use your special permission and put him on ignore.

That doesn't answer my question. Please no obviously troll posts like that, isn't that about what got my post deleted?

you have spent the last multiple days making personal attacks on me and blatantly misrepresenting my positions. I have refrained from engaging until that mild rebuke of your posting.

dont get indignant when you have been trolling for days and months on end. the fact is that you post a ton of misinformation and I just let it go bc I dont feel like being constantly insulted by a bully with authority. but I am not saint so you are gonna get told about yourself about 1% of the time. if you cant handle it I dunno what to tell you.

I have not done that. I have asked some pertinent questions that you shy away from consistently like you've been doing for years. You prefer to attack, not have your views attacked.

What misinformation?

never is

pretty weird. last i heard harris refused to meet with uncommitted, even behind closed doors. did they end up endorsing her?

wouldn't be surprised if they got money from an aligned pac, but they didn't know where it was coming from. seems ~impossible to trace this stuff sometimes