2024 ELECTION THREAD
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Bro, you know about physics, right? In particular, you've probably heard of the concept of inertia.
As to how they got there, I don't know. As to how long they stay there, we'll need to check Newton's laws.
teller me how inertia made the USA surpass Argentina which was previously richer per Capita than the USA
my kids are in classrooms, Italy is far less woke than the USA, and I constantly have to deprogram them and/or vaccinate them against cultural Marxism.
oldest son asking about trump the day after he won because at school he got told insane things for example.
I don't forget about atrocious attempts by the theocratic right to teach bullshit in schools.
did you forget how courts rightly destroyed all those attempts and burnt that to the ground?
meanwhile leftist ideology, under the cover that "it is n
You had to deprogram him from what exactly? Let's not shift the goalposts here, chump. You know what you said, stick to it.
All of this 1000 ft view of education doesn’t really have any substance to me. When someone says “democrats run education”, I know what the words mean by themselves but I have no idea what the speaker means when they combine them together. Is education too woke? Not enough math/science? High school should be voluntary? We spend too much? Too antiquated? Teachers are bad? Too politicized?
It’s a thought terminating cliche for Luciom to say “x group runs y”. He thinks that by saying that we will a
Democrats run education is truly one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard someone say. It's just blatantly untrue at every level. In fact, there's not even a kernel of truth to it.
teller me how inertia made the USA surpass Argentina which was previously richer per Capita than the USA
You a bit slow? I said, "I have no idea how they got there, but currently they are running on inertia". Let me know if you want me to put it in a meme for you, I know that aids in your understanding.
You had to deprogram him from what exactly? Let's not shift the goalposts here, chump. You know what you said, stick to it.
from the idea that recycling is a moral good and absolutely the optimal way to deal with everything in trash for example.
from the idea that significant welfare for everyone who "can't make it on its own" is a moral necessity.
and so on and on. basic collectivist leftist propositions which should never be defended as superior to all alternatives by public employees speaking with kids.
no moral proposition should be pushed as preferable within the range of legal moral propositions.
You a bit slow? I said, "I have no idea how they got there, but currently they are running on inertia". Let me know if you want me to put it in a meme for you, I know that aids in your understanding.
well my question was about how the USA became richer than every other place on earth. that happened around 1900.
and how would teachers tell that to kids.
to give you an example of an immensely important topic in education (far more important than most of physics for everyone who won't use physics in his job) that will show you how dramatic the ideological skew is.
"how and why countries become good" is one of the most relevant questions in history and social sciences in general.
from the idea that recycling is a moral good and absolutely the optimal way to deal with everything in trash for example.
from the idea that significant welfare for everyone who "can't make it on its own" is a moral necessity.
and so on and on. basic collectivist leftist propositions which should never be defended as superior to all alternatives by public employees speaking with kids.
no moral proposition should be pushed as preferable within the range of legal moral propositions.
I mean, cool. The kid is not getting homeschooled, so you're not indoctrinating him. He's got your genes, so he's capable of at least some critical thinking. You've given him the freedom to form his own opinions, while making yours clear. I think that's laudable, and a lot more than probably most do around here.
If the kid is smart, he will grow up to disagree with you. He might not. But giving him that freedom is evidence that you actually believe all this **** you spout, and genuinely believe that giving in your kid the freedom to choose.
By the way - there are probably a lot of people who have been confused why I am friendly with you whereas I tell every other conservative here to **** off. This actually shows why - it's because you're not a hypocrite. I disagree with most of your opinions, but I respect you as a person - you believe in freedom of choice, and you're showing that by giving your own kid the freedom to choose. I can say that for 0 trumpers here, they are all sanctimonious ****ing pricks and I find them completely worthless because they lie literally all the time, and exactly zero of them would give their own kid the freedom to choose what they think.
I'm not in any of these classrooms. While I doubt what you're describing is a thing that is happening, I don't doubt there is some indoctrination going on. For example, you know, stuff about the Earth being born before you were, or pixies in the sky doing all sorts of stuff. Did you conveniently forget about that? Because that is a real thing that is happening, as opposed to the what I can only assume is imagined thing that is happening that you are talking about. Although, I mean, there was tha
Jfc I actually teach (assist really, but I handle the classes myself, largely) in a local high school a couple of weeks each semester as part of a local science program. I've done it for years. The school where I teach, and every school in this area is the same, has easily 80% conservative teachers. Liberals are rare in the classroom here. Luciom has no $##@$ idea what he's talking about.
when I say they run education I mean they are the people in the classroom telling American children what is real and what is not, how to think about reality, and everything else.
every omission, every time they decide to focus on something, every smile about something and negative emotions about something else, every word every language structure they choose to us is indoctrination (or lack thereof).
even discussing "pronouns" ever, even tangentially, without decrying them as a radical ideological
and you think because teachers are discussing pronouns (just assuming for the sake of argument this is happening in a widespread fashion) that this means that they are making the education bad for the students?
I just don’t think any of what you’re talking about is what causes problems in the education system. I mean we’ve had deep problems for a long time before any of this stuff was even remotely an issue. I don’t even know anyone that identified as a socialist irl before 2016 and Bernie popularizing it, and most are not actually socialist but social democrats.
I mean, cool. The kid is not getting homeschooled, so you're not indoctrinating him. He's got your genes, so he's capable of at least some critical thinking. You've given him the freedom to form his own opinions, while making yours clear. I think that's laudable, and a lot more that probably most do around here.
and his mind is assaulted daily by cancerogenic memes (in the original sense) developed by an army of enemies of everything I value as morally good, paid by my tax money.
I think I can make it but it's an horrific ordeal.
and anyway this is what I mean when I say leftist dominate education. and I have elements to think it's worse on average in the USA.
at least my kid isn't told yet that men can get pregnant by teachers.
btw I can't homeschool because it's a criminal offense here, otherwise I would evaluate my options
and you think because teachers are discussing pronouns (just assuming for the sake of argument this is happening in a widespread fashion) that this means that they are making the education bad for the students?
I just don’t think any of what you’re talking about is what causes problems in the education system. I mean we’ve had deep problems for a long time before any of this stuff was even remotely an issue. I don’t even know anyone that identified as a socialist irl befor
if they are discussing pronouns neutrally, as a recent societal phenomenon they don't take any side about, whatever.
if they even slightly hint about their own personal preferences about the topic that's truly bad. (and it would be bad even if they were ferociously against pronouns being subjective to be clear)
if they are discussing pronouns neutrally, as a recent societal phenomenon they don't take any side about, whatever.
if they even slightly hint about their own personal preferences about the topic that's truly bad. (and it would be bad even if they were ferociously against pronouns being subjective to be clear)
fair enough. I guess I just don’t see how privatizing education would improve this. it’s just going to be really hard to discuss any subject that is not math or science without some commentary slipping through.
like how do you discuss the history of rome without that implicating a bunch of ethics?
I just prefer we develop some kind of education where we all agree on what kind of narrative we want to build for our children (a pro-America narrative in our case) and go from there. I’m definitely in favor of not allowing people to be anti-American or anti-capitalism in k-12 schools. LGBT issues, that’s for the states to decide I think.
in the USA yes.
in Europe that was the case with the anti nuclear crowd (started in Sweden I think in late 70s early 80s) as an attempt to weaken our energy independence
I’m sure there’s some cope about it being some kind of policy conference but she never explains why a strident peace activist wouldn’t go up to Putin and tell him he’s a PoS. If she was sitting at a table with Bush or Obama I 100% guarantee she would.
fair enough. I guess I just don’t see how privatizing education would improve this. it’s just going to be really hard to discuss any subject that is not math or science without some commentary slipping through.
like how do you discuss the history of rome without that implicating a bunch of ethics?
I just prefer we develop some kind of education where we all agree on what kind of narrative we want to build for our children (a pro-America narrative in our case) and go from there. I’m definitely in f
privatizing supply of education (I can see why we want to guarantee access for all kids up to age x, with the public paying) would at least allow parents to match their kid with the school in their area that is more aligned with parental political, cultural preferences.
commentary WILL slip through (and leftist are trying to "decolonize maths" so nothing is safe at this point) but at least I can choose the package of indoctrination you will submit my kids to.
and if you manage the school wrong I can leave immediately, and money will leave with me and the worst ones will close and the rest will adapt to market preferences (IE parental preferences) as it should be.
and btw people without school age kids shouldn't have any say about how education is run at any level
Wouldn't a true lefty be willing to dirty their hands a little bit instead of just endless virtue signaling?
fair enough. I guess I just don’t see how privatizing education would improve this. it’s just going to be really hard to discuss any subject that is not math or science without some commentary slipping through.
like how do you discuss the history of rome without that implicating a bunch of ethics?
I just prefer we develop some kind of education where we all agree on what kind of narrative we want to build for our children (a pro-America narrative in our case) and go from there. I’
Easy game, just work up from ground up. Give them the DNA keys and let them formulate their own decisions from first principles.
"Hey Johnny, I think I found one for a dinosaur Let's get it in the petri dish!"
"No, Jimmy, that is Adam's chromosome! Let's throw it out of the window so that nobody except us discovers it, and we can get real rich by telling people!"
What could go wrong?
Wouldn't a true lefty be willing to dirty their hands a little bit instead of just endless virtue signaling?
run me through how Stein being super friendly with Putin and his entourage is going to accomplish anything Stein purportedly stands for, instead of just being one of the many elements we have about the **** that Stein is bankrolled by Putin and when they claimed "Russian influence" in the 2016 elections they were actually right but the influence was Stein, not Trump?
privatizing supply of education (I can see why we want to guarantee access for all kids up to age x, with the public paying) would at least allow parents to match their kid with the school in their area that is more aligned with parental political, cultural preferences.
commentary WILL slip through (and leftist are trying to "decolonize maths" so nothing is safe at this point) but at least I can choose the package of indoctrination you will submit my kids to.
and if you manage the school wrong I c
Well the problem is that the interest of having kids enrolled in school far outweighs the interest of parental choice. if we privatize the concern is that people will not have money to pay for school because of poor spending habits and then they will steal the opportunity that the kid should have had and ruin their whole life.
or because they are cheap they will send them to a bad school, or there will be a religious school on standby offering to teach kids for free but it’s a highly religious education (I think ironically this was a reason some people supported public funding of education in the first place, they were scared of kids getting sent to catholic schools).
as far as your last point, we all have an interest in making sure your kids get a quality education. even if we remove the taxes from it, our entire society is implicated by childhood education so we should all have a say in it, like it or not.
doctors I could believe, schools again I could see it happening and I can see it also being way overblown (one or two teachers or something) and in any case I wasn’t interested in that discussion. the question is why does one pronoun circle implicate public education moreso than the tangible problems I pointed to.
It depends on what you mean. She certainly was on team "it's NATO fault", although she eventually got bullied into calling Putin a war criminal. Surely you knew all this seeing as you voted for her.
i don't know a single thing about her other than she wasn't kamala nor donald and that was enough for me
