2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
I don't think this would make a dent. When folks talk about food deserts, it's not because poor and uneducated people don't understand how to make healthy meals or that junk food is bad for them. Most of them understand the obvious quite well, but there's a despondency that broadly exists across many low-income areas, and when people are hopeless and stressed, they assuage that with short-term solutions like the dopamine hits they get from eating fast food and taking drugs. Food deserts exist be
There's a lot of truth to that. I seem to be one of the few people here who has been low income, and you're right. Very often, you just want to feel good for a short while.
This is why I think a cash payment is necessary to get the ball rolling. It wouldn't work in every case, but I'll point out that poor Latin and Asian immigrants will make delicious and healthy food for their families, as they do in even worse poverty in their countries of origin.
I think there may be a psychological barrier as well, where it seems easier to drive to a McDonald's. Wait in line, etc. But it's actually much easier to dump some meat and beans into a crock pot and have food several meals. It's also much cheaper. You can develop good habits, but wouldn't be a 100% success rate by any means.
Well when your evidence that it happened is an anonymous source saying they heard something, and multilpe other people who were there saying it didn't happen then indeed it is debunked.
The onus is on you to provide better evidence. An anonymous source saying they heard something is not sufficient I'm afraid.
Spoiler
Verdict: DEBUNKED
The evidence is a voiced interview by John Kelly himself with the New York Times and an open letter signed by 13 other admins
Your evidence is a bunch of no namers who need clout in the party to stay relevant basically saying "I never saw that" which isn't even "That didn't happen"
And how exactly are Democrats going to control the education system in deep red states with deep red legislatures, governors, etc.
It's never that simple.
Wisconsin just went to Trump. Milwaukee itself has been run by dems or even self-described socialists for more than a century with almost zero republican input. Any Republican governors have just accepted that it's a black hole for state aid, but have no real say in how it runs. Milwaukee Public Schools are an unmitigated disaster that gets worse every single year, despite spending more than 3x the amount of money per pupil as the local private school I sent my own kids to.
I'm sure every struggling district around the country has its own version of the story to tell, but it's mostly a people problem. Paying teachers more money would help attract better talent, but the best teacher in the world cannot fix a broken family.
You don't have to be above the poverty line to value an education for your children, and parents (or lack thereof) are the biggest roadblock for positive educational outcomes in America.
It's never that simple.
Wisconsin just went to Trump. Milwaukee itself has been run by dems or even self-described socialists for more than a century with almost zero republican input. Any Republican governors have just accepted that it's a black hole for state aid, but have no real say in how it runs. Milwaukee Public Schools are an unmitigated disaster that gets worse every single year, despite spending more than 3x the amount of money per pupil as the local private school I sent my own kids
Are you not in the slightest bit taken aback by having been objectively wrong on every single thing you've said/predicted in the last 8 years?
Not really, and in my defense, it was mostly the same prediction repeated multiple times. Kamala was the favorite up until the polls closed Tuesday, so it's not even like I was out all alone in left field.
Edit: Allan Lichtman had a chance to publicly change his mind the day before the election, too, and politely refused. I was in good company!
It's never that simple.
Wisconsin just went to Trump. Milwaukee itself has been run by dems or even self-described socialists for more than a century with almost zero republican input. Any Republican governors have just accepted that it's a black hole for state aid, but have no real say in how it runs. Milwaukee Public Schools are an unmitigated disaster that gets worse every single year, despite spending more than 3x the amount of money per pupil as the local private school I sent my own kids
I can probably sign on to what you’re saying about education spending vs early childhood health/nutrition/learning/environment/etc, but in the context of what I’m talking about Luciom is saying that the education system is getting better and it’s all controlled by democrats when I just think that both of those ways of looking at it are flawed. There are lots of things that are out of control of teachers including standards, funding, public safety, state/federal testing programs, different supplemental education programs available, administration, district, state policy, federal policy… it’s not all controlled by democrats.
By the way they only spend a couple thousand extra per pupil in Milwaukee which I’m not even sure how that is allocated.
Some years it looks like they were even under average cost.
I don't think this would make a dent. When folks talk about food deserts, it's not because poor and uneducated people don't understand how to make healthy meals or that junk food is bad for them. Most of them understand the obvious quite well, but there's a despondency that broadly exists across many low-income areas, and when people are hopeless and stressed, they assuage that with short-term solutions like the dopamine hits they get from eating fast food and taking drugs. Food deserts exist be
food deserts exist because some people don't buy healthy food -> yes
poverty explains those choices -> lol no.
poor Italians didn't eat ****, poor indians don't eat ****, poor vietnamese people don't eat ****.
and go check what fully uneducated Italians from the silent generation eat in Sicilian rural areas or the appennines. talking people who barely speak Italian (dialect only) and who have 3-5 years of formal education.
they riot if fresh zucchini aren't available every day in season at the corner shop.
they don't know what a big Mac is and they don't care.
food deserts exist because some people don't buy healthy food -> yes
poverty explains those choices -> lol no.
poor Italians didn't eat ****, poor indians don't eat ****, poor vietnamese people don't eat ****.
and go check what fully uneducated Italians from the silent generation eat in Sicilian rural areas or the appennines. talking people who barely speak Italian (dialect only) and who have 3-5 years of formal education.
they riot if fresh zucchini aren't available every day in season at the corne
what’s your theory on it? zoning?
I’m very libertarian when it comes to zoning, I think most of it is absolute garbage
I can probably sign on to what you’re saying about education spending vs early childhood health/nutrition/learning/environment/etc, but in the context of what I’m talking about Luciom is saying that the education system is getting better and it’s all controlled by democrats when I just think that both of those ways of looking at it are flawed. There are lots of things that are out of control of teachers including standards, funding, public safety, state/federal testing programs, different supple
I never said it's getting better I think it's getting horribly worse and that is happening because of the left (which controls everything in education).
a lot of people would be better off with fewer years of education
what’s your theory on it? zoning?
I’m very libertarian when it comes to zoning, I think most of it is absolute garbage
??? my theory is that people that eat shitz do so because they have no food culture and that's almost always and almost exclusively linked to terrible family food culture.
food deserts happen when a lot of people who have a preference to eat **** end up living in the same place for whatever reason.
the third time you throw away fresh vegetables in your corner shop while you run out of Oreos or whatever you adjust and there are no more fresh tomatoes in your shop.
there is no "solution", you accept people with bad food culture will eat badly and you simply stop subsidizing their choices
Not really, and in my defense, it was mostly the same prediction repeated multiple times. Kamala was the favorite up until the polls closed Tuesday, so it's not even like I was out all alone in left field.
Edit: Allan Lichtman had a chance to publicly change his mind the day before the election, too, and politely refused. I was in good company!
she wasn't, it was a coinflip slightly tilted in trump favor
Maybe some mavericks like you, who get the world figured out all by themselves.
I'd venture that most people could use the education. Even if they, apparently, use their new found knowledge to vote Trump. I mean, at least it was an informed choice...
??? my theory is that people that eat shitz do so because they have no food culture and that's almost always and almost exclusively linked to terrible family food culture.
food deserts happen when a lot of people who have a preference to eat **** end up living in the same place for whatever reason.
the third time you throw away fresh vegetables in your corner shop while you run out of Oreos or whatever you adjust and there are no more fresh tomatoes in your shop.
there is no "solution", you accept
nah I’m good, better things are possible actually
All this "education" bullshit is annoying me now.
Evaluate the definite integral from 0 to pi/2 of sinx/x. That is "education".
Being able to name 96 shades of gender is not education. Neither is doing what Ben Shapiro does, although it's marginally more articulate.
All of this 1000 ft view of education doesn’t really have any substance to me. When someone says “democrats run education”, I know what the words mean by themselves but I have no idea what the speaker means when they combine them together. Is education too woke? Not enough math/science? High school should be voluntary? We spend too much? Too antiquated? Teachers are bad? Too politicized?
It’s a thought terminating cliche for Luciom to say “x group runs y”. He thinks that by saying that we will all know what he means. Or maybe the vagueness is the point idk.
when I say they run education I mean they are the people in the classroom telling American children what is real and what is not, how to think about reality, and everything else.
every omission, every time they decide to focus on something, every smile about something and negative emotions about something else, every word every language structure they choose to us is indoctrination (or lack thereof).
even discussing "pronouns" ever, even tangentially, without decrying them as a radical ideological insanity of a fringe of society that doesn't represent the country, would be indoctrination.
if you don't think capitalism is the best thing that ever happened to humanity since agriculture you should come close to kids
All this "education" bullshit is annoying me now.
Evaluate the definite integral from 0 to pi/2 of sinx/x. That is "education".
Being able to name 96 shades of gender is not education. Neither is doing what Ben Shapiro does, although it's marginally more articulate.
describe why the USA become the richest (highest per Capita GDP in 1900) country among all ex colonies in 1000 words.
would they claim as uncontroversially science has it that a full embrace of unrestricted capitalism was the only reason for that success?
then think how someone who considers Harris "too right-wing" would do that, and that's your average American history teacher
when I say they run education I mean they are the people in the classroom telling American children what is real and what is not, how to think about reality, and everything else.
every omission, every time they decide to focus on something, every smile about something and negative emotions about something else, every word every language structure they choose to us is indoctrination (or lack thereof).
even discussing "pronouns" ever, even tangentially, without decrying them as a radical ideological
I'm not in any of these classrooms. While I doubt what you're describing is a thing that is happening, I don't doubt there is some indoctrination going on. For example, you know, stuff about the Earth being born before you were, or pixies in the sky doing all sorts of stuff. Did you conveniently forget about that? Because that is a real thing that is happening, as opposed to the what I can only assume is imagined thing that is happening that you are talking about. Although, I mean, there was that picture of some chick and her boyfriend sucking off her strap on and her acting all confused that it didn't do anything for her, I'm sure that was super real.
describe why the USA become the richest (highest per Capita GDP in 1900) country among all ex colonies in 1000 words.
would they claim as uncontroversially science has it that a full embrace of unrestricted capitalism was the only reason for that success?
then think how someone who considers Harris "too right-wing" would do that, and that's your average American history teacher
Bro, you know about physics, right? In particular, you've probably heard of the concept of inertia.
As to how they got there, I don't know. As to how long they stay there, we'll need to check Newton's laws.
I'm not in any of these classrooms. While I doubt what you're describing is a thing that is happening, I don't doubt there is some indoctrination going on. For example, you know, stuff about the Earth being born before you were, or pixies in the sky doing all sorts of stuff. Did you conveniently forget about that? Because that is a real thing that is happening, as opposed to the what I can only assume is imagined thing that is happening that you are talking about. Although, I mean, there was tha
my kids are in classrooms, Italy is far less woke than the USA, and I constantly have to deprogram them and/or vaccinate them against cultural Marxism.
oldest son asking about trump the day after he won because at school he got told insane things for example.
I don't forget about atrocious attempts by the theocratic right to teach bullshit in schools.
did you forget how courts rightly destroyed all those attempts and burnt that to the ground?
meanwhile leftist ideology, under the cover that "it is not religion", runs rampant
