Moderation Questions
Moderation Questions
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Moderation Questions

The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa

30 January 2024 at 05:27 AM
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Instead of using this as an excuse to attack people (which describes most of your posts) perhaps you should be saying which of my points you disagree with in your usual high-content way?

Also, I don't agree that running a years-long campaign like this against another poster is a right that can be earned. But you do you.


by jalfrezi m

Instead of using this as an excuse to attack people (which describes most of your posts) perhaps you should be saying which of my points you disagree with?

Also, I don't agree that running a years-long campaign like this against another poster is a right that can be earned. But you do you.

I was responding to the "you make this whole thread about yourself" line. I should have probably quoted just that line so it was clearer.

Attacking people is both fun and effortless. No arguments from me there. And I'm hardly the only one who does it, including posters whom you defend. At least I admit to doing it.


There's a reason why the term tl;dr was coined. People writing at great length online should learn to be pithier or submit their meanderings to offline publications because most of the time they just get speed-read imo.


by jalfrezi m

There's a reason why the term tl;dr was coined. People writing at great length online should learn to be pithier or submit their meanderings to offline publications because most of the time they just get speed-read imo.

That's fine as a stylistic critique, I don't see how it's particularly relevant to what I said though. The point is, the guy is taking time and making effort to post high quality content, I think that should buy him some goodwill. I'm sure there is an implicit premise in your position somewhere that all posters are equal, which is simply not true. Some posters bring more value than others, which I think should be self-evident after a moment's contemplation.


Sure, but as in sports betting everyone has their own idea of value, d2.


BGP,

I don't remember how much of what you wrote above actually happened in the way you describe, but the fact that you took the time to type out 10,000 words about your opinions on whether a volunteer mod who took no action against you did an adequate job sort of proves the point.

FWIW, within reason, I generally tried to err on the side of not banning people for comments directed at me. That was for two reasons. First, my feelings are not easily hurt. But the second, and more important, reason is that I didn't want to be accused of using mod powers to resolve personal disputes in my favor.

In any case, there have now been several mods in a row--all with different personal politics--who have failed to moderate the forum to your satisfaction. I have no confidence that the next mod will be any closer to what you want. You don't want to mod the forum yourself. It seems like an unsolveable dilemma.


And unless you want to see beauty contests conducted via polls, or tabulated lists of users and their likes as some other sites produce, cough UP, I don't see it's particularly meaningful in the case of most posters.


by Rococo m

It seems like an unsolveable dilemma.

It seems easily solvable to me and others, if BGP is prepared to put 1% of the effort into his scrolling that he does into his grievance posting.


by jalfrezi m

It seems easily solvable to me and others, if BGP is prepared to put 1% of the effort into his scrolling that he does into his grievance posting.

I was referring to the dilemma of the forum not being moderated appropriately from BGP's perspective.


by jalfrezi m

It seems easily solvable to me and others, if BGP is prepared to put 1% of the effort into his scrolling that he does into his grievance posting.

I like how you did some quick mental calculations and revised your estimate tenfold. You must have been a project manager. Actually, scrap that, those estimates only go up. Must have been a dev.

(I'm pretty sure your post said 10% and you ninja edited it to 1%. If I'm imagining things, then my comment obviously makes no sense).


Your comment makes no sense. Get reading glasses.


by jalfrezi m

Your comment makes no sense. Get reading glasses.

Ouch. In my defence, I was just trying to take your advice and speed read through the shiposters' posts.


by d2_e4 m

The point is, the guy is taking time and making effort to post high quality content, I think that should buy him some goodwill.

it clearly has. and whether or not it's bc he does the high-content (as you say), or bc he's green and been around forever, or some combination of all the above, he's been given a much wider berth in terms of the complaining to this point than would have been tolerated from anyone else.

also, your idea cuts both ways imo. at some point, "he should know better than to continue in this way" very much comes into play.

and fwiw, this is more a reaction to the idea of who gets to do what around here and not about any of the posters in this latest drama.


by Bluegrassplayer m

If you want to know the real reason why I first first offered this: I do not want to spend time reading threads that I am not interested in. I have this same arrangement in BFI and it worked, alleviating modding on threads that the mods there do not want to mod, while cleaning up the threads I was already participating in. You can guess at my true intentions all you want,

If the bolded is a reference to me, it is a blatant lie. I did tell you that, in order to avoid inconsistency, I thought it would be better if you moderated the whole Politics forum rather than just a few threads. You made it clear that you were only interested in moderating the Ukraine and I/P threads. In response, I told you the following via PM:

It's up to you. If you want to tell people that you will be modding just those threads, that's fine with me. If the complaining about inconsistency becomes too irritating, I can always just quit.

I never changed my position.


There is a poster who has an annoying habit of spamming the same post in multiple threads simultaneously, usually a meme or a tweet or some other nonsense. Is this allowed?


by d2_e4 m

There is a poster who has an annoying habit of spamming the same post in multiple threads simultaneously, usually a meme or a tweet or some other nonsense. Is this allowed?

When we have 7 different threads on the election and 12 on Trump then why shouldn't it be allowed?


by Luckbox Inc m

When we have 7 different threads on the election and 12 on Trump then why shouldn't it be allowed?

Why don't you try and really exert that brain cell of yours and see if you can answer your own question.


by d2_e4 m

Why don't you try and really exert that brain cell of yours and see if you can answer your own question.

It was answered. Try and parse it out I have faith in you


by Luckbox Inc m

It was answered. Try and parse it out I have faith in you

What are you banging on about? I think we should start giving points for talking in riddles as well, mostly to you and the couple of others who like to do it. It's not big, clever, or funny.


by d2_e4 m

What are you banging on about? I think we should start giving points for talking in riddles as well, mostly to you and the couple of others who like to do it. It's not big, clever, or funny.

I'll spell it out explicitly.

1. We have multiple threads covering the same topic.
2. Ergo the same post should be allowed in multiple threads.

Hopefully that helps


by Luckbox Inc m

I'll spell it out explicitly.

1. We have multiple threads covering the same topic.
2. Ergo the same post should be allowed in multiple threads.

Hopefully that helps

1 is questionable, depends on how broadly interpret the thread titles, but even if true, 2 does not follow from 1. You need more than just the fact of 1 if you want to make the case for 2.


I asked sometime back that we consolidate some of partisan threads and was met with shrugs. Memes getting spammed across them is one of the consequences.


Here's another solution. Maybe people could post fewer contentless memes. Impossible, I know.


by d2_e4 m

There is a poster who has an annoying habit of spamming the same post in multiple threads simultaneously, usually a meme or a tweet or some other nonsense. Is this allowed?

Maybe just hit the report button and put a note in there to let the moderator know.


by Luckbox Inc m

I asked sometime back that we consolidate some of partisan threads and was met with shrugs. Memes getting spammed across them is one of the consequences.

Why is memes getting spammed across them one of the consequences? Of all the posters here, for all the time those threads have been open, only one has started doing it recently, so you're going to have to show more work that it's a natural consequence.

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