AA played passively
½ NL. I am effective stack with 350. I raise UTG to 12 with AA, UTG+2, CO, and BB call. Flop (46) 7d5h4d. Check/check/UTG+2 bets 20/fold/call/call. Turn (103) 7d5h4d4h check/check/UTG+2 bets 35/call/call. River (208) 7d5h4d4h9c check/check/UTG+2 bets 50/fold/call. Should I have bet somewhere or OK to just call down with AA on this board.
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There is a lot happening on this board and so much depends on what you know about the players sitting at the table. Someone could have certainly been in the hand with 4's, 5's or 7's. 68s is possible or even 45s from UTG+2 if they play a wider range. I know some guys who would gladly call with low connectors and gappers despite the UTG+2 position. I would have c-bet after the flop in order to maintain the aggressor status. It also makes a bigger statement if someone is willing to 3-bet you. I also don't want players getting a free card if no one hit anything. Although it's possible someone stayed in with 68 or 45, you are the odds-on favorite to still be ahead post-flop.
When the turn comes and the board pairs, things really get ugly. Unless UTG+2 is a LAG who is betting out his flush draw with a possible gutter to the straight, you may already be dominated with a boat. This is where c-betting would have been helpful and would have gotten you some more info.
This is a good example of where position makes such a huge difference. Ironically I was in a similar position this evening with AA UTG in a 1/2 game that plays like a 2/5. Long story short, the flop is something similar to yours as was the outcome with someone hitting their straight on the turn. Worst feeling to have your aces you waited all night for get crushed lol.
I think it's fine. Terrible board. I might raise the turn if they are calling w/ straight and/or flush draws. Reads would be helpful.
It's tempting to raise the river, but I definitely don't think he's calling w/ worse now.
In future, go bigger pre since they are all calling 😉
i was going to say fine, but actually i think you can r/f the turn vs this bet size, i.e. raise the turn bet and then if you get shoved on, fold (that will almost never happen though). make a small raise to like $80 and charge both players, and then bet like 1/4 pot OTR.
its totally exploitable and transparent but you arent playing against good players so it doesnt matter.
if the turn bet was bigger id say your passive line is good.
always remember one of the biggest edges you have in low stakes NL is that people give away their hand strength by the size of their turn bets.
Javanewt suggestion of going bigger pre I like a lot. You want to always go big enough to knock out all of the players except for one or two. That's been the foundation of my entire game and it works like a charm. Look around you at the players, take note of who is in, who has folded and then bet the number that would ideally leave you with one or maybe two opponents. Anytime there's more than two, it becomes much more difficult. If you overbet, you take down the blinds. Otherwise it gets rid of the weaker hands that end of hitting postflop.
I could have checkraised the turn to the relatively small bet. I thought I was probably ahead based on the action. The blank on the river was really good. I thought my hand was probably good, but didn't see the point of betting or checkraising after the draws seemed to miss.
I waited about 10 seconds for UTG+2 to show, then showed and he mucked. Based on that and the river fold from the other player, I think they both had draws.
You should be raising turn and as played raising river. The hands you lose to are rarely going to be using this sizing.
I dont think its all that bad, i think yoi have plenty of overpairs that can take more agressive lines, like 88 99 or TT oughta be betting out on the flop, JJ QQ could bet out, but if you dont, probably oughta check raise flop or turn.
The issue I have is that the sizings are a tell he isnt as likelh to have a set or straight. If he had ber 50-100% ott and otr i think call call is fine, but with those sizings and a call, and double flush board im putting in a raise on the turn. As played, with the river size im raising river as well.
Raise bigger pre.
Think V's turn bet sizing is FOS, and I'd want to raise.
I could have check/shoved the turn for 1.4xpot more, figuring I was ahead and wanting to get draws to pay or fold. Probably would have done that with a set on the wet board.
To those saying raise bigger pre, maybe somtimes. 6x is fairly substantial UTG. It's hard to get 1-2 callers at 1/2 because if you force the first 2 to fold nobody calls but if the first 2 call everybody calls. If you size up to $15 everybody might fold. Just 1/2 things. But you are at the table so should have an idea how the table reacts.
I think you played it fine. This is a terrible range board OOP vs 3 players who are probably calling pre waay too wide.
The sizing seems small on river indicating medium strength hands but unless you have a specific read on the player type I would also just call down here but a small raise is probably good. You just have to be prepared to muck if re-raised.
i was going to say fine, but actually i think you can r/f the turn vs this bet size, i.e. raise the turn bet and then if you get shoved on, fold (that will almost never happen though). make a small raise to like $80 and charge both players, and then bet like 1/4 pot OTR.
its totally exploitable and transparent but you arent playing against good players so it doesnt matter.
if the turn bet was bigger id say your passive line is good.
always remember one of the biggest edges you have in low stakes N
re: turn raise. We still have a player behind us who could easily be setting up a c/r against the flop aggressor. I like a river raise better because this guy just keeps betting small after the nuts changed for 2 streets and we are heads up.
To those saying raise bigger pre, maybe somtimes. 6x is fairly substantial UTG. It's hard to get 1-2 callers at 1/2 because if you force the first 2 to fold nobody calls but if the first 2 call everybody calls. If you size up to $15 everybody might fold. Just 1/2 things. But you are at the table so should have an idea how the table reacts.
I think you played it fine. This is a terrible range board OOP vs 3 players who are probably calling pre waay too wide.
The sizing seems small on river
That's fair. A 6x raise is big. I suppose we should consider table dynamics before adjusting to a larger raise size. Assuming a $12 raise from hero in UTG is usually getting multiple callers, I think raising larger with a tighter range is okay.
Regardless, I think the real decision point here is the turn, facing such a small bet. It seems like a good spot to put in a raise and clean up some equity.
I don't usually go for really big sizing preflop. You want to build the pot, and it might be better to get fewer callers. However, more callers means more to call you down as well as more to run you down. Sometimes no one calls 15, although less frequently no one calls 10 or 12. I obviously don't want that with aces. The large sizing looks like 99+/AQ+. With aces I don't want that either, even though the players aren't that perceptive. With 12, I could have JTs or 77 or whatever.