Check or bet the turn with TP OESD
2-3-5 NL. H has effective stack of $800.
V is middle aged Vietnamese LAG regular. He’s very aggressive and is always slow with placing his chips so he can watch the reactions of players to his left. He pretty much always c-bets, and always bet if he’s last and it is checked to him. He bluffs on the river, and check raises often.
Button is 30’s Asian rec player, new to table, but so far appears semi-loose and passive.
V is utg, looks like he is going to limp but player to his left moves to fold. H in utg+2 has already seen his KdJd and is pretending he is going to fold. So V appears to forgo the limp and raises to $30.
H calls. Button calls.
Flop ($93) Kh Qs Tc
V bets $60.
H calls. B calls.
Turn ($273) 7s
V checks.
H ?
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Calling a x6 raise from UTG+2 with KJs?
What's Vietnamese for "No Bueno"?
It’s raiser dependent. And I have a very tight image at this table over the last 2 hours.
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Standard raise here is $20.
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If you have your heart set on playing KJs here, it would be better to 3! and try to get HU with position on the LAG, especially if you have a nitty image.
Edit: Although I don't have settings on the solver for straddles, when I set it for 150bb and x5 (or x7 open), following an UTG raise and a fold, the solver actually is indifferent between raising and folding, although it never calls.
Fold pre > 3bet > call
xb ott; your hand does not need to deny equity much and when you do make your straight it will be very obvious and less likely you get paid
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That should not make your call wider. They are risking $20 to win $3, so as a result you get to tighten up on account of the risk/reward ratio. You also have several players yet to act behind you, reducing your responsibility to defend.
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Pre is whatever. If you acted as if you were going to fold because you knew he would raise, you should 3bet him. How often does he raise pre from EP? What has he been raising?
Regardless, I check the turn to see what B does and because we don't want to face a check/raise or a raise from B -- we don't want to have to fold and we don't want to go to war.
The turn was checked through.
The river was 5s.
Checked down on the river and H won, the other two players mucked.
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if you never cold called preflop raises before the CO or BTN you wouldn't be making much of a mistake.
i would argue that only a world class player could make cold calling with KJs here profitable
that excludes me and probably 99% of this forum.
Why is KJs so bad to cold call preflop raises with?
Because it’s often dominated?
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Why is KJs so bad to cold call preflop raises with?
Because it’s often dominated?
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you can call on the button or maybe cutoff if the button is nitty. its not being dominated thats the problem so much, its that your hand is impossible to play when you act in between the PFR and other players.
F/u hand to KJs discussion above...
8 handed 2/3/5 NL
Weak loose MP player opens to $25 (he has been opening alot of hands to $25).
Hero 3-bets to $75 with KcJc in HJ.
CO (he is the V with an effective stack of $555) calls and B calls. Original raiser calls.
Flop: Ks 6s 3c ($300 4 handed)
Check. H checks. V bets $50. B Calls. MP folds. H calls.
Turn: ($450) 9d
H checks.
V bets $220 (has $210 left behind)
B folds.
H?
Reads:
V has been a quiet passive player, a little sticky. Hasn't played a lot of hands. I don't recognize him. He looks like a blue collar 40's age Hispanic guy, likely an occasional rec player.
B is Middle Eastern frequent rec player, splashy, not afraid to put money in the pot, but not particularly aggressive.
Tight, passive player calls 3 bets cold and then starts betting a K-high board without a care on the world.
I'm pretty sure he can beat KJ.
I'm likely folding the turn.
F/u hand to KJs discussion above...
8 handed 2/3/5 NL
Weak loose MP player opens to $25 (he has been opening alot of hands to $25).
Hero 3-bets to $75 with KcJc in HJ.
CO (he is the V with an effective stack of $555) calls and B calls. Original raiser calls.
Flop: Ks 6s 3c ($300 4 handed)
Check. H checks. V bets $50. B Calls. MP folds. H calls.
Turn: ($450) 9d
H checks.
V bets $220 (has $210 left behind)
B folds.
H?
Reads:
V has been a quiet passive player, a little sticky. Hasn't played a lot of hands
fold the turn to this size bet. pot is too big for your hand. i would expect a smaller bet from a weaker king. this looks like AK to me.
V showed 66.
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