Israel/Palestine thread
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This is a long-term conflict. Having the Dems think they can be pro-Israel with impunity, which would assuredly be the case if they had won, is vastly worse for the Palestinian cause than having Huckabee over whoever Biden's ambassador is.
I think you’re misinformed on how this will change the Dem’s actual stance on military ties to Israel, and how bad Huckabee can be for Gaza and the West Bank, but let’s see how it plays out.
There are tens of thousands of people who licked trump ass and hundreds of jobs to fill, you want to troll here but even if the number one reason for trump to appoint someone was that (and in different wording IE "complete loyalty" it probably is) that still wouldn't justify the pick even within a model of trump mind.
It's absolutely reasonable for Trump to exclusively pick people who showed unfettered loyalty to him.
Then why Rubio, who didn't and kept his own agenda ongoing?
It's just a mistake t
Then update your model of Trump’s mind, because obviously there’s something wrong here that millions of vocal Trump supporters missed. That is that his mind really is fried like Dems are saying it is and he is being manipulated by whoever is really pulling the strings. Maybe Elon or someone else.
Then update your model of Trump’s mind, because obviously there’s something wrong here that millions of vocal Trump supporters missed. That is that his mind really is fried like Dems are saying it is and he is being manipulated by whoever is really pulling the strings. Maybe Elon or someone else.
he must think that he has to pay off the evangelic wing somehow for some reason.
Elon is the other side of the picks
report on the Dutch hooliganism and violence came out
cliff notes:
report on the Dutch hooliganism and violence came out
cliff notes:
By this logic when European soccer fans throw bananas at black players (something that has happened numerous times) they aren't actually being racist, because they they aren't throwing bananas at every black person they walk by.
This really seems quite easy. The people saying there was no antisemitism because it was specifically Israeli Jews that were attacked are saying so because it is favorable to their narrative. The people denying any significance to the fact that Israeli Jews were targeted and not Jews at large are saying so because it’s favorable to their narrative. Both are wrong.
lol you realize that the pro-israel candidate winning the election is not going to make democrats less pro-israel, right?
What's your point? Of course the right wing candidate is going to be pro-Israel, and of course they are going to win the election when the opponent loses a huge chunk of their coalition.
The fact is that Dems won't be winning elections in the future if the more principles left types don't come out to vote, and the Palestinian cause is their #1 issue. Look at the polls. Strongly pro-Israel Dems are quite literally a dying breed.
This was the arm in 2016, of the current Trump nominee for secretary of defense
Besides the tat, this guy also just made an insane leap in rank.
From Democracy Now:
report on the Dutch hooliganism and violence came out
cliff notes:
That's so great, they weren't attacking all of the Jews. Just like plantation owners didn't whip every slave, and not every black person was lynched. Only the ones who deserved it got it. And here I was all this time thinking they attacked every single Jew in Amsterdam.
I dont think that comparing marauding war criminals with enslaved blacks is very apt.
What's your point? Of course the right wing candidate is going to be pro-Israel, and of course they are going to win the election when the opponent loses a huge chunk of their coalition.
The fact is that Dems won't be winning elections in the future if the more principles left types don't come out to vote, and the Palestinian cause is their #1 issue. Look at the polls. Strongly pro-Israel Dems are quite literally a dying breed.
LOL. Principled types dont make the Palestinian cause their #1 issue. The only people doing this are tribal, zero sum brainwashed persons and anti-American progressives. More than anything, these are the people who (fairly or unfairly) are associated with the Democrat Party and when the rest of us see their horrible behavior and hypocritical histrionics it makes us want to shift right.
IF the Democrat Party can shed itself of its association with anti-American progressives and tribal, zero sum Islamist supporters in the minds of everyone else, then it will do just fine moving forward.
-These are the people 95% of Americans want nothing to do with, and the Democrat party needs to shed association with them to rehabilitate its image.
Israel is using evacuation orders to pursue the “deliberate and massive forced displacement” of Palestinian civilians in Gaza, according to a report by Human Rights Watch, which says the policy amounts to crimes against humanity.
The US-based group added it had collected evidence that suggested “the war crime of forcible transfer [of the civilian population]”, describing it as “a grave breach of the Geneva conventions and a crime under the Rome statute of the international criminal court”.
Well the ICC has no jurisdiction in Israel, which is not a member, so it's curious they bring that up.
I agree Israel should leave the Geneva convention though (and that the Geneva convention shouldn't be applied when there is no state counterpart like in the Israel vs rogue territories dispute).
The new secretary of defense in 2019
Zionism and Americanism are the Frontlines for Western Civilization and Freedom in our World today.
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/185687...
All-in pro Israel (at any cost, with no ifs, no buts) is the only moral position possible for people who like western civilization for me, and this nominee seems to agree.
LOL. Principled types dont make the Palestinian cause their #1 issue. The only people doing this are tribal, zero sum brainwashed persons and anti-American progressives. More than anything, these are the people who (fairly or unfairly) are associated with the Democrat Party and when the rest of us see their horrible behavior and hypocritical histrionics it makes us want to shift right.
IF the Democrat Party can shed itself of its association with anti-American progressives and tribal, zero sum
Yes, and this guy (
), who was famous for his Vietnam reporting and, in my view, epitomizes the principled left, supports these people.
You're basically arguing that Lyndon Johnson, who wanted to use military/technology to preserve 'Western values' overseas, would be closer to the principled left than Robert Scheer.
Do I have to trot out the poll again? This is a very Gen-X/older millennial thread (I appear to be the only person providing a Gen Z perspective), so there is a lot of disconnect to what young educated people actually think going on here (hence why I created the account), but the fact is that a growing contingent actually agree with the people in your picture, and I can assure you that Netanyahu's actions are driving more and more in that direction.
What do young educated gen z people actually think is going on here so, Pompeus?
Also don't you mean Nethanyahu's reactions? Actions would imply aggression on Israel's part when it was actually a reaction to Hamas aggression on Oct 07
history conveniently started on Oct 7th so Ive heard
Never sad that and again not interested in your attempts to somehow definitively quantify a 75 year old conflict. There was a ceasefire. Hamas broke the ceasefire. If you wish to opine that somehow Israel is responsible for Hamas' pogrom then go ahead. I don't need to take such an opinion on board though as it's ideologically, rather than pragmatically based..
Also don't you mean Nethanyahu's reactions? Actions would imply aggression on Israel's part when it was actually a reaction to Hamas aggression on Oct 07
Aggression is often characterised as proactive and reactive. Proactive aggression tends to be pre-planned, goal-directed and characterised by low emotional activation. Hamas attack on 10/7 could be characterised as proactive, as could Russia's on Ukraine. It also is more or less specific to humans.
Reactive aggression is the more evolutionary ancient strategy that is characterised by impulsiveness and high-emotion. You can certainly argue that Israel's response was reactive and to a large degree justifiable.
However, I don't think Israel's response can reasonably be characterised as reactive, and is has probably crossed over into proactive aggression. It's hard to say when this happened, but either way the current trajectory of Israel's actions appears far less justifiable than it did 12 months ago.
