Trump 2nd term prediction thread
So, looks like Trump not only smashed the electoral college, but is looking on track to win the popular vote, which seems to be an unexpected turn of events, but a clear sign of the current temperature in the country and perhaps the wider world.
Would be interested to hear views on how his 2nd term will pan out from both sides of the aisle - major happenings, what he's going to get done, what he's not going to get done, the impact of his election on the current conflicts in Ukraine and Gaza, whether his popularity will remain the same, wane, or increase, etc.
A bit of an anemic OP, I know, just interested to hear people's thoughts now that the election uncertainty is over.
Zelensky has an actual emergency. Bukele had an actual emergency, whether he still has one is questionable. Gaetz does not have an actual emergency, but that's what fascists do - invent an emergency, then use additional powers to piss all over the constitution. And enablers like you defend them, explaining to everyone how it's all perfectly legal.
Yes it is questionable, and he will fail a lot if at some point (soon from the look of it) he doesn't stop requiring renewal of emergency powers.
I agree that fascists invent emergencies to piss all over the constitution (see democrats and covid, and many leftist and some rightwing parties in other countries).
Gaetz might have an emergency at the border though, unclear why you want to deny that hundreds of thousands of criminal trespassers who no administration fixed isn't an actual emergency.
When a crime happened like what, 7-8 million times in recent years with no end in sight, from far lower numbers decades before, that is a clear cut example of a significant criminal emergency.
So *in the context of fixing the border crisis* it is not absurd to consider it an emergency that would justify (if the constitution allows for that) suspensions or reductions of some rights. That, and the deportation of the people who after criminally entering the country, infiltrated it far away from the border.
And again, it is only perfectly legal if the constitution allows for it (which i don't know how much the US constitution does in general).
During covid some of the worst monstrosities that happened in other countries weren't even tried in the USA even by people who would have loved nothing more than to use armed guards to patrol the streets to arrest/fine citizens who didn't stay at home (like it happened in Italy, Spain, France, some australian states and so on), because of the blatant unconstitutionality
Yes it is questionable, and he will fail a lot if at some point (soon from the look of it) he doesn't stop requiring renewal of emergency powers.
I agree that fascists invent emergencies to piss all over the constitution (see democrats and covid, and many leftist and some rightwing parties in other countries).
Gaetz might have an emergency at the border though, unclear why you want to deny that hundreds of thousands of criminal trespassers who no administration fixed isn't an actual emergency.
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Except Gaetz is going to be in charge of the DOJ, not DHS, so has **** all to do with the border, and there is absolutely nothing to suggest that he was talking about the border or illegal immigration when he said it. So, other than being a disingenuous sophist, why are you bringing up the border or illegal immigration in relation to what Gaetz said?
Kristi Noem was tapped to be the head of the DHS
And Luciom thinks Gaetz as AG is in charge of the DHS because….penis?
Except Gaetz is going to be in charge of the DOJ, bot DHS, so has **** all to do with the border. So, other than being a disingenuous sophist, why are you bringing up the border or illegal immigration in relation to what Gaetz said?
The DOJ has the tools to provide the legal answers to the administration in all it's roles to know how much and how to bend the rules for the border crisis.
I bring the border up because that's a main campaign goal of the Trump admin and all hands will be on deck dealing with it.
It's the DOJ that enforces prosecution of criminal trespassing of the border (!!)
And the DOJ has a role in the deportation process as well
See this from 2018
In the past month, the Department of Justice has issued a series of stunningly senseless, wasteful, and cruel immigration policies. It ended a program to notify immigrants of their rights in deportation cases. It set an arbitrary and unreasonable quota for immigration judges. It enabled judges to make asylum decisions without a hearing. And it doubled down on a failed “zero tolerance” policy that aims to prosecute everyone accused of crossing the border without authorization.
Like other Trump administration moves, these policies distort the facts, dehumanize immigrants and inflict fundamental damage on the legitimacy of our legal system.
On April 10, the Justice Department announced that it is ending its Legal Orientation Program, which started during the George W. Bush administration to provide people who are detained and facing deportation with basic information about immigration laws and their rights. The LOP was an important yet inadequate lifeline, since only 14 percent of detained immigrants manage to obtain an attorney, and others must defend themselves against government lawyers who specialize in the infamously complex immigration code.
https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rig...
Did you think the DOJ had nothing to do with deportations and the border crisis???
The DOJ has the tools to provide the legal answers to the administration in all it's roles to know how much and how to bend the rules for the border crisis.
I bring the border up because that's a main campaign goal of the Trump admin and all hands will be on deck dealing with it.
It's the DOJ that enforces prosecution of criminal trespassing of the border (!!)
And the DOJ has a role in the deportation process as well
See this from 2018
In the past month, the Department of Justice has issued a series
There is absolutely no evidence that Gaetz was talking about the border when he expressed the sentiment that he is a fan of Bukele's crime fighting model. That is pure invention on your part.
It wouldn't even make any sense - "Bukele's model" is clearly about fighting domestic crime, not illegal immigration. The only reason you're bringing up illegal immigration is because it's the only way you can try and weasel your "state of emergency" justification into the conversation.
Kristi Noem was tapped to be the head of the DHS
And Luciom thinks Gaetz as AG is in charge of the DHS because….penis?
I am sorry to be the one to teach to you that the DOJ has significant roles wrt immigration, deportation and the like.
Which department did you think immigration judges were part of? maybe you thought they were independent like the federal judiciary but no, they are employees of the DoJ.
There is absolutely no evidence that Gaetz was talking about the border when he expressed the sentiment that he is a fan of Bukele's crime fighting model. That is pure invention on your part.
The fact that he said Bukele model should be adopted by more central and southern american countries so they send fewer criminals to the border with the USA
I mean maybe those at the ACLU have no knowledge of american immigration system, but if they say the DoJ decides some immigration policies maybe they don't invent that out of thin air?
I am sorry to be the one to teach to you that the DOJ has significant roles wrt immigration, deportation and the like.
Which department did you think immigration judges were part of? maybe you thought they were independent like the federal judiciary but no, they are employees of the DoJ.
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The fact that he said Bukele model should be adopted by more central and southern american countries so they send fewer criminals to the border with the USA
Doesn't say anything about that in the linked article, only that he said he's a fan of the model and thinks more countries should adopt it.
As I edited in above, I think you're just bringing up illegal immigration because that's the only way you can plausibly work "state of emergency" into the discussion, because otherwise you'd have to acknowledge that he's a fascist who wants to use draconian measures against his own citizens.
There are actually human beings on planet earth who think Matt ****ing Gaetz gives a **** about the rights of Americans?
No, they just pretend they do to pwn the libs. They do not care what damage he can do, as long as it hurts those they hate, they’re on board. Trump told them that he will be their “retribution”. They expect him to be the ******* he is. And he will. And people like Luciom will both celebrate and enable and rationalize it.
Doesn't say anything about that in the linked article, only that he said he's a fan of the model and thinks more countries should adopt it.
As I edited in above, I think you're just bringing up illegal immigration because that's the only way you can plausibly work "state of emergency" into the discussion, because otherwise you'd have to acknowledge that he's a fascist who wants to use draconian measures against his own citizens.
You are projecting as usual.
Anyway CNN
Should he face interviews and a Senate confirmation hearing for the position of attorney general, Gaetz may well be asked about his thoughts on Bukele’s approach to crime and criminal justice and how that might influence his position as attorney general. The US could even suggest the El Salvador model be tried across Central and South America, where violence and instability drives many of the migrants heading to the relative safety and prosperity of the US, though there would likely be strong opposition inside and outside those countries.
so d2 care to admit that the DoJ does indeed have a significant role wrt immigration in the USA, and deportation, and so you were wrong and i was right about that?
You are projecting as usual.
Anyway CNN
Should he face interviews and a Senate confirmation hearing for the position of attorney general, Gaetz may well be asked about his thoughts on Bukele’s approach to crime and criminal justice and how that might influence his position as attorney general. The US could even suggest the El Salvador model be tried across Central and South America, where violence and instability drives many of the migrants heading to the relative safety and prosperity of the US,
That's not a quote from Gaetz. It seems to be some sort of commentary from the author of the article. All the direct quotes from Gaetz are along the lines of "it's a good model, other places should use it".
Jill Biden press secretary gets it better than most other democrats, fortunately for republicans, not many democrats get it (yet?)
That's not a quote from Gaetz. It seems to be some sort of commentary from the author of the article. All the direct quotes from Gaetz are along the lines of "it's a good model, other places should use it".
Ye so what's the fascism? "in case of severe emergencies that can't be solved with normal law enforcement many countries should learn from Bukele model", the model is "use emergency powers as allowed by the constitution when an emergency exists dropping ethical concerns and fix the emergency".
And btw the above is NOT obvious. Previous el salvador leaders could have done the same and didn't. Many countries could do more but they don't.
Ye so what's the fascism? "in case of severe emergencies that can't be solved with normal law enforcement many countries should learn from Bukele model", the model is "use emergency powers as allowed by the constitution when an emergency exists dropping ethical concerns and fix the emergency".
And btw the above is NOT obvious. Previous el salvador leaders could have done the same and didn't. Many countries could do more but they don't.
The fascism concern from him is if he believes the US should adopt a similar model and tries to implement something similar in his role as AG. It's not exactly the only red flag about him either. The fascism from you is the stuff you've been saying in defense of this hypothetical.
The fascism concern from him is if he believes the US should adopt a similar model and tries to implement something similar in his role as AG. It's not exactly the only red flag about him either. The fascism from you is the stuff you've been saying in defense of this hypothetical.
anyway i think you all will have a big laugh because Gaetz chances to get through the senate look slim. Not sure yet of couse but it's the only name who is getting significant opposition from senate-adjacent people within the republican party.
RFK and the DoD guy are at some risk as well (mostly because lobbyists will work hard to keep the corruption/waste money flowing, and a lot of it flows to republicans as well), but Gaets has genuine opposition by a lot of senators on actual "we don't trust the guy" elements
I mean he is at only 24% of getting confirmed on poly
(and the 24% INCLUDES the possibility of recess appointments)
Trump built a wall that Mexico paid for when the GOP controlled both houses and the executive branch after 2016 and that fixed it. Did Biden tear the wall down? If so, please show where Trump’s big, beautiful wall was torn down. If he didn’t fix it then (he did cuz he said so!), then he won’t fix it now. He’ll just use it as an issue that his simple surrogates constantly gnaw on. Keeping these low-information, low-intelligence voters scared is vital to his success.
anyway i think you all will have a big laugh because Gaetz chances to get through the senate look slim. Not sure yet of couse but it's the only name who is getting significant opposition from senate-adjacent people within the republican party.
RFK and the DoD guy are at some risk as well (mostly because lobbyists will work hard to keep the corruption/waste money flowing, and a lot of it flows to republicans as well), but Gaets has genuine opposition by a lot of senators on actual "we don't trust
Why do the reps hate Gaetz? Is he too much of a dickhead even for them? He must be realllyyyy bad.
