GGPoker, Elky and Fedor: HS Regs' Perspective

I'm more disappointed on the GG ambassadors using this opportunity to syphon as much money out of the ecosystem as they can by using their position in order to keep every other reg (better than them) out of the games

and every reg they're doing it to would do the same exact thing if they were in the ambassadors position.

Stop projecting

And it would still be fair to critisize if that happened.
Why are you guys trying to middle of the road this issue? Defending GG and fedor/elky is still going to be detrimental for you and the community as a whole.
You should speak up about things that hurt yours and the community's interests.

I'm not saying this or that is moral/immoral, I'm just saying we want the poker dream to be alive, we love competition and the "sport" of poker and these guys are on a quest to ruin it at this point. Right now these guys are playing 4 handed vs a whale at 10knl, they won't even allow enough liquidity to fill a table, that's the level of greed and short sightedness

I'm not projecting it's absolutely true. Pretend otherwise if you want. Lol@ thinking a bunch of pros turn would down the chance to play with all whales if it freezes out other pros. That's adorable.

Fat man coming down the chimney with presents next month too?

If he said it sucks for those not in the "club" id agree.

But when he says he's disappointed elky and company are doing exact what 99.9 percent of people being frozen out would do it's ridiculous.

It's not surprising or disappointing when poker pros act in their best own interest. It is shocking the rare times it doesn't happen.

The competition and sport (lmao@ pretending it's a sport)of poker stuff is absolute nonsense for basically anyone grinding these games. They're doing it for the money. Nothing wrong with that but that's call a spade a spade.

I will never understand ppl defending this unless they benefit directly from the change (aka the 3 regs playing whales 10h a day 4 handed) but you do you bud

Your reading comprehension isn't good.

I can understand people being upset about it.

That's all well and good and makes sense when it negatively impacts them.

As I already said if they want changes to be undone they need to make GG see it's costing GG money long term bc they're a business and that's what they care about.

What doesn't make sense is someone acting shocked the players who benefited from this are taking advantage of it or pretending those not in the "club" wouldn't do the same thing if GG gave them the chance.

The fake moral outrage is comical.

It's actually not remotely true.

Lots of people when they are set for life, and take position of ambassador, care more about reputation and integrity than a bit of extra money they never need to spend.

It's also significantly different for an ambassador to be grinding these than a reg who was mistakenly given access too imo, when you accept an ambassadorial position it's generally with the understanding, and a lot of social media spiel that you care about the game and supporting the players

Literally logged in for firet time in a year just to say you are wrong.

I quit my role with GG to avoid going down this path that you say no "reg" would ever take.
I was nowhere near the level of these ambassadors of course but it was the eventual goal. Other streamers went through the same dilemma.

There are non-streamers who have done the same, most notably Jason Koon.

Stop saying everyone would do it just because you can never see yourself turning down money for integrity.

You don't seem to understand what actually went down here. This was ELKYS IDEA. It's a massive difference to make up some master mind plan how you can make as much money as possible as a ambassador than simply saying yes or no to playing said games. For better or worse I honestly think 99% of people couldn't even think of this idea. Like even the most greedy ambassador would have to be really ambitious to pull it off.

Same here, couldn't read Borg's nonsense anymore. Surprisingly, after logging in I found out he is already on my ignore list 😀 . He is just a troll, no point having discussion with him.

Ggbruce, is there a proof it was Elkys idea? That is quite something if true...

Did you forgot about the recent boycott? There were tables full of whales and 99% of pros didn't join.

Future generations, do not give up on your studies to play online poker. Have a plan B. This way, you won't be forced to play on a site that is a rip off to be able to pay rent and food and be forced to accept things like what just happened.

I don't think people realize how much the regs are winning in private games they control vs public games with 5 other regs with positive bb/100 expectation and an artificial cap on winrate

It's hard to believe people that have so much money would play so bad by reg standards and keep coming back for more when you aren't used to a big fish pool but there is a shocking number of people who want to do just that with the right group of people. If you are a good recruiter who knows a lot of people you can find people forever.

GG able to offer 6-9 figure shark tanks for anyone they want to set up is pretty game changing but still think they will bring back public high stakes games for people who want to play. Really surprised someone wouldn't just offer the same thing with a lower rake system where the winners actually get to keep more of the money. I imagine that's coming soon - easy opportunity for a site to make a big splash and give the people what they want. If GG can shift the operator meta to run all your clubs on here - it's an easy sell to someone looking for a seemingly legitimate place to set up their game. A massive value proposition for the runner and a potential rev share stream for GG to scale as high as they want. Haven't played much on ClubGG but this is what they built there and lot of regs are elevating to big money status on that network. The money is worth it to them.

Coinpoker hired lot of GG people so expect them to take the good things they learned there and get to work. Everyone sees this as a big opportunity they can capitalize on. GG probably has some good reasons for wanting to not deal with it anymore.

How long will the agent/crypto meta hold strong for the sites to build on - the content/crypto boom is changing the game for a poker site attracting players so more operators are getting in the game and the industry is starting to attract more attention

Exactly how is pointing out most HS regs are hypocrites or liars defending GG? It is just being pointed out that those that want to be allowed to play losing whales while not being willing to give those that find the whales the lion's share are over valuing how important their ability to beat the whales at poker vs the ability to gather the whales to a poker game. And anyone actually interested in the "sport" of poker or the competition does not complain when they are not banned from playing other good players they just aren't allowed to fleece the marks.

So, what is the best solution here? To have both public and private highstakes tables, and let the whales decide against who they want to play? Same rake as before for the public ones until a whale sits?

I sincerely believe they have made a major mistake that could cost GG their monopoly if another operator rises to the occasion. Their thinking might have been something like "well, who cares if we lose the HS crowd to another pokersite - it's more trouble than it's worth." That'd be fine if they just got rid of HS altogether, but everybody, regs and recs alike, can observe the VIP games and know that GG is not interested in hosting a fair competition. Now, if the other pokersites fumble the opportunity and fail to expand their business, then GG's player pool is not going anywhere. But if they don't ...

I disagree. Let me explain why. If you were a whale would you prefer a table with 6 whales and 3 sharks or a table with 2 whales and 7 sharks? Finding sharks is easy. Finding whales is hard. GG is designing the game to appeal to the whales.

I think online poker overall has more tendencies of "competition and sport"

It's not fair to project that, because there's lots of people just bumhunting and all they care is to take care of their interest, that everyone just thinks in that manner.

I always cared the most about just making money, but my approach to get to there was to also love the competition of poker and try to be better than other regs than to sleeze/weasle your way in somewhere.

And I have observed lots of HS online regs just battling short handed and HU and enjoying the aspect of a "sport" much more than trying to squeeze out max hourly ev.

So even though I think your projection is accurate for majority of what poker players to tend to do, I don't think it's an absolute, and I think lots of HS regs do really enjoy competition and I think we should celebrate and reward them for that.

How about we give them both options. GG could have restricted access high stakes tables and public high stakes tables. If a whale wants to challenge themselves against Linus they should have that option or if there’s no games running with other whales

It really doesn't make sense why they wouldn't do this.

You could have public games. and restricted tables, and then they could just reach out to whales that playing on public games and try to get them to restricted tables, and that would be more fair open market place balancing out all site-regs-recs interests.

Maybe these GG pros really just angled their way trying to take 100% of the market.

I think there's a very good case could be made in life to work at "8/10 effort and efficiency" instead of trying to get to 100% CPU, because from my personal experience you guys get overwhelmed by trying to push for too high CPU and start missing obvious things.

I feel like this could be the case where GG haven't thought everything out that much and just listened to "sponsored pros" and trying to increase the efficiency from 8/10 to 9/10, but overall gamble is not a good gamble for them. (they had it very good already with the HS tables being popular and them charging big enough rake)

Also, someone like Elky, I don't think his stock is that high... I think you guys might over rate his ev.

This is the guy that is likely not that competent and wasn't really able to beat the games for year? And now he didn't really comprehend his actual skillset abilities and just managed to get his way into some "juicy whale games", but these games are at 1.2bb rake cap no rakeback and he is playing much higher stakes than he is used to at games where he was never that decent anyway.

I just think Elky's stock in this whole ordeal is just overpriced and he is fish out of water there himself anyway. #my 2 cents but I could be wrong about it.

No one is stopping them from competing with each other they just are stopping them from fleecing the marks so it is a lie to claim this is about wanting competition. Indeed the point is to be given access to players specifically because they are not actual competition. And why should good poker players be given monetary awards? I understand they want them but they want others to do the hard work of getting the whales while they get the bigger share of the profit.

Give a fair market place and let the people decide.

What GG is doing now I am not convinced it's to GG's best interests.