Israel/Palestine thread
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Damn Western media manufacturing consent for Israel to defend itself. Is Hezzbollah an acting troupe? Maybe the missiles they are shooting into an Israel are just CGI?
I swear to Allah if they bomb this place
Like everywhere else in the country, the restaurant needs to keep Hezbollah out and they will be fine.
Hezbollah decided to declare war on Israel and have been firing rockets and drones into Israel for 13 months. And now it is time for the reckoning.
And if the rest of the Arab world doesn't want that heat, then all they have to do is keep their rockets to themselves. Very simple.
Not privileged, but far from second class citizens.
This depends on your criteria. I assume you think something like voting rights needs to be restricted to qualify. I think the Natuonality Bill and the laws surrounding right of return and marriage:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-eas...
are enough for everyone else to be expressly second class. The laws are designed to prioritize the nation for one group of people over all others. You can say it’s necessary if you want but that’s a separate claim. If the Constitution was changed so that the U.S. was declared a Christian nation, I would feel like I had become a lesser citizen, even if it didn’t immediately result in more consequential legal differences. In either case, what Luciom said is absurd.
This depends on your criteria. I assume you think something like voting rights needs to be restricted to qualify. I think the Natuonality Bill and the laws surrounding right of return and marriage:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-eas...
are enough for everyone else to be expressly second class. The laws are designed to prioritize the nation for one group of people over all others. You can say it’s necessary if you want but
Well you seem to be an expert on the subject and have your mind made up. The write up I linked did mention that Israel trending towards right wing hasn’t improved the situation.
Well you seem to be an expert on the subject and have your mind made up. The write up I linked did mention that Israel trending towards right wing hasn’t improved the situation.
There’s no definition of a second class citizen. You could just agree we have a difference of opinion without the snark.
This depends on your criteria. I assume you think something like voting rights needs to be restricted to qualify. I think the Natuonality Bill and the laws surrounding right of return and marriage:
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-eas...
are enough for everyone else to be expressly second class. The laws are designed to prioritize the nation for one group of people over all others. You can say it’s necessary if you want but that’
So you think Arab Israeli are second class, because it's easier to naturalize as Israeli if you are Jew?
Doesn't compute.
Second class requires some limitations to your rights when citizen compared to other citizens.
Voting rights, or less access to welfare, or higher taxes been levied upon you, or harder legally for you to be a political candidate, or to access some relevant professions and jobs, or to buy or rent a house of quality and so on.
Something, where the state treats you worse when citizen than other citizens are treated, because of your ethnicity.
And the only case is Jews are drafted against their will, Arabs aren't
Lovely people in the IDF
hes tracked a lot of these guys back to the USA too. its surreal that people complain about South American economic immigrants when these war criminals are walking freely.
And yet pretty much the entire leadership of the group firing the missiles has been killed in Beirut. Seems like the people of Beirut need to do a better job of not letting Hezbollah bring the war there.
You dont get to declare Holy Jihad on another country, say you are going to destroy them, fire thousands of missiles, and then drive 50 miles up the road and declare you are in a safe zone now. That isn't how this works.
no it seems like the IDF is directly targeting civilians in Beirut as a form of collective punishment and reprisal murder bc they are getting smoked on the battlefield in the South.
their sycophants make similar claims as you about "the people of Beirut need to do a better job...blah blah blah" as a justification for mass murder of civilians. this has never worked in history but maybe it will work this time. more likely it just strengthens the resolve and cooperation of the entire country against Israel.
one of the problems is that people are not as stupid as the West likes to think. they know that if Hezbollah is disarms that would leave the entire country of Beirut occupied and enslaved by Israel and the West.
no it seems like the IDF is directly targeting civilians in Beirut as a form of collective punishment and reprisal murder bc they are getting smoked on the battlefield in the South.
their sycophants make similar claims as you about "the people of Beirut need to do a better job...blah blah blah" as a justification for mass murder of civilians. this has never worked in history but maybe it will work this time. more likely it just strengthens the resolve and cooperation of the entire country aga
It sounds very similar to your "collective punishment" claims.
no it seems like the IDF is directly targeting civilians in Beirut as a form of collective punishment and reprisal murder bc they are getting smoked on the battlefield in the South.
their sycophants make similar claims as you about "the people of Beirut need to do a better job...blah blah blah" as a justification for mass murder of civilians. this has never worked in history but maybe it will work this time. more likely it just strengthens the resolve and cooperation of the entire country aga
Yes, they are targeting civilians, and just got real lucky they took out 95% of Hezbollah's leadership in the process of randomly firing rockets into Beirut.
In the last 40 years they only time Israel has gone into Lebanon is to counterattack from Hezbollah aggression. Hezbollah literally serves the exact opposite function of what you believe. Hezbollah is an IRI proxy that acts on behalf of the IRI. They give zero shits about Lebanon or its people. And pretty much everyone in the entire world recognizes this except you.
And you are right, people aren't stupid. They are just tribal and zero sum. They support Jihadism and hate western civilization for various reasons, so carry water for bad actors like Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRI.
Yes, they are targeting civilians, and just got real lucky they took out 95% of Hezbollah's leadership in the process of randomly firing rockets into Beirut.
In the last 40 years they only time Israel has gone into Lebanon is to counterattack from Hezbollah aggression. Hezbollah literally serves the exact opposite function of what you believe. Hezbollah is an IRI proxy that acts on behalf of the IRI. They give zero shits about Lebanon or its people. And pretty much everyone in the entire wo
they took out the leadership a month ago. why are they still leveling apartment towers?
why are they deliberately attacking paramedic facilities all throughout Lebanon?
why are they bombing displaced families all throughout Lebanon including in Northern villages?
and further, like always, you got your facts backward. Hezbollah arose BECAUSE of Israel's illegal and murderous occupation during the civil war. Israel didnt invade bc of Hezbollah. Hezbollah didnt even exist then! they formed bc of Israel and to fight against a murderous expansionist apartheid state.
