1/3 AKs vs a fish who's running hot, 500 eff - auto fold?

i think flop is fine now fold the turn. sometimes this flop raise is an information raise.

I wouldn't fold flop for a min raise, but after you call and he jams the turn, he's not worried about AK. Does he 3bet AK pre? At best we would be calling hoping to chop which never usually ends well.

Never folding this flop to a normal-sized raise.

How many 6x does he have which call your 9x iso if you've seen him fold to isos before? 66 of course, A6s maybe, at a push K6s/76s/A6o but your read on his preflop range is important because he shouldn't really have much at all.

Also he can have AK where you have a freeroll and KQ where you win. Plus you have 11 outs to beat a 6. Doubtful whether this player type raises flop with hands like 87dd, but it's not impossible.

Can't fold flop for the price and I don't think calling turn is terrible.

I would limp in. If raising, with these stacks I think I would honestly raise a lot smaller to just juice the pot a little, or raise even a lot larger to create a more comfortable stackoff postflop with TP.

Kinda awkward spot in that the SPR is lol ~3 so we should mostly just be committed postflop, even though it is 3ways and they both got ~14:1 preflop (not good, but not necessarily horrendous either). Super dry and with an SPR we can get it in easily whever we want I'm cool with either a tarping check or a small bet.

Think to this sizing on the flop (it's a raise where we're still not even facing an original PSB, lol) we have to call. And at this SPR and our backup flush draw I'm not sure we should be folding the turn either.

Although does really suck cuz mostly no one gets in large $500 stacks with worse against a preflop raiser who is continuing here.

Ggrossspot,imoG

No offense to OP, but I'm leery of reads that boil down to "bad player but running really good" when the bad player has a huge stack. I have to wonder if he's not really all that bad.

Agree with moxterite that V shouldn't have much 6x in his range that calls your raise pre and min-clicks the flop. But then again, if he really is bad, maybe he has more 6x than he should.

If we go with the read that he's bad, and might be calling super wide pre, and fast-playing the flop for some unknown reason, I guess it's a fold. But if he's fast-playing 6x like this, is it not also possible he slow-played AK or even KQ pre, and now he thinks he's good, when in fact he's chopping or losing?

I dunno. My gut says he's probably just playing ABC, and he just always has 6x, and we're drawing to 11 outs, and we should fold. I think I'd ask for a table change, or at least look to seat change, if this guy is really running this hot.

I am not folding the turn with the nut flush draw plus TPTK.

I get what u saying, i didnt mention the hand prior in detail - my 99 was a call from the button, flop went 4 ways, and he donk leads from sb with TJs on the 579ss flop, and then jams over my raise. i get its ok not the worse play, but combined with the limp calls/folds, trash hands, i suspect he's not that decent.

Anyways, he did indeed have a 56s. He got my money so maybe he is good (or just good at exploiting bad players such as myself). Live and learn...im sure i would've folded if it didnt turn the FD.

FWIW - those low-middling SC's like 87s-65s play pretty well against a range weighted towards big pocket pairs. I've stacked my share of TAG-fish holding KK when I smashed the flop with 87s, 76s, or 65s.

I mean, I get it - you raised 15x in a 1/3 game. He shouldn't be calling with 65s. But he straddled the BTN, and he's playing a big stack, and you might appear tilted. If I'm V, I'm running good, I got a big stack, and I'm not in a folding mood, I'll sometimes call off a big raise pre with those middling SC's and suited gappers, because of the implied odds.

Curious why you didn't open to $25 or $30, instead of $45? You're telegraphing your hand strength by opening so large.

When you raise 15x from UTG, c-bet the flop, get min-clicked, and then V jams turn, it seems super-unlikely that he's over-playing worse for value or bluffing.

Not trying to beat you up, OP. Just seems to me that this one was an unforced error.

Is $45 raise too big? There's a $6 straddle on button, and a call, ($13 in pot) so essentially, its like 7x raise oop. Granted online its 4-5x, 7x doesnt seem that big, tho a bit? Usually without the caller i go $30-35, so just went $45 witht the caller. AKs had nothing to do with the size FWIW, its what i normally do.

But yeeah a fold on the turn is best, its 6x at minimum with the jam.

First, I said you raised 15x in my last post, but of course there's a $6 straddle on, so it's just 7.5x, not 15x. My bad.

Also, understand that I have a bias against betting in increments less than $5 at 1/3. I think the game moves faster if the dealer isn't sitting there making change for everyone who called a $12 or $13 bet, so I just bet $15 instead of $12 or $13.

If my normal open is to $15, then with the straddle on, it's $20. With one limper, I'd go $25. I'll start increasing my sizes if it seems like no one is 3B'ing me, and I'm not getting punished for opening wide or big. So maybe $20 becomes $25 and $25 becomes $30.

My reasoning is that low stakes players start getting a little more price-sensitive with the straddle on, such that a 5bb raise to $15 seems reasonable, but a 4x raise of a $6 straddle to $25 seems "scary". The player pool sees absolute dollar amounts more than multiples of the blinds or a percentage of the pot.

They may not be thinking in terms of "my stack is now half as many blinds with the straddle on", but they can intuitively understand that the pots will be bigger, and they tend to tighten up as a result. A $45 raise at 1/3, even with the $6 straddle on, and one or even two limpers, is going to look like you mean business.

How big I'd raise UTG also depends on my reads of the BB, when the BB just completes the BTN straddle. I've seen how the BTN straddle leads some players to slow-play big hands in the blinds. If the BB is just a passive rec-fish, and I'm confident that the BTN is truly bad, I might increase my raise size a bit.

So, yeah, I think $25 or $30 here seems okay. I might go $35 just to discourage any of the MP players from getting involved, and hopefully fold out the BTN so we can get this heads up with the BB, who I would assume limped in with the intention of calling a raise. But if I think the BB could be trapping, I might just stick with $25 or $30 and prepare to fold to a big back-raise.

Keep in mind - if the player on the BTN is halfway aware, he may note that the BB limped, and could be worried the BB is planning to back-raise, so he shouldn't be calling our UTG raise too wide, even if we just make it $25 or $30.

Lastly, I think stack size matters. If you're sitting on $450 and open to $45, your image has to be pretty bad for opponents to want to get involved. But if V is sitting >$1500 deep, I could see playing a more defensive, pot-control style. I'd small-bet the guy to death pre and on the flop, looking to make my big bets on the turn and river.

One last thing - it's common knowledge to try and sit behind the big stacks. But when there's one guy with an obnoxiously large stack at the table, I sometimes suspect the players to his right are just really bad, and that he may be looking to lock up the win, so I'll sit to the big stack's immediate right, in the hopes all the chips that have been flowing his way will have to get through me first.

I don't see how you can fold the turn with the nut flush draw. It is pretty unlikely you are drawing dead. He probably has trips, but giving the odds you are getting, the equity you have against trips, and the off chance you are ahead, it seems like you have odds to call.