DBBP - 1 nut flop w/ redraw & terrible draw on 2nd

Probably call. we are pretty short stacked after the bet and call. When you raise and get hu on the flop, I think you'll generate extra EV very infrequently, mostly when against a bare 34 with little the other way. When you raise and get mw on the flop that's usually generating more EV but happens much less frequently than the hu result. The best player has the stack and position to force out the in between player and we already know bp likes his hand enough to bet way oop, a sign of significant strength, maybe so revealing as to be a mistake.

Calling lets us see turns, hide our holding a bit, and still have good chances to generate EV being in position. On balance I like call.

I think we’re supposed to fold flop.

I call the flop and evaluate turn.

The players I play with are pretty bad, so I can watch their eyes to see which board they are playing 😉 Works 80% - 90% of the time.

You can track which board they're looking at by the angle of their eyes?

Basically, yes. It's easy to tell which board they are interested in just by paying attention to where they are looking. It's amazing.

I now know to look at both boards equally back and forth and then look away immediately -- not that these guys are paying attention 😉.

That seems insane to my fishy brain with it being 3 ways (getting quartered is less bad) and having all the redraw/protection against another wheel.

I think it is

call > raise > fold

My process for DBBP is take the number of player starting hand and divide everyone starting with even equity. Therefore nine players is everyone going to the flop with about 11% equity. Then gauge your actual hand on flop going up or down from there and everyone else mostly staying random. So on this flop you probably take 1-2% from the other eight players and you are now at about 19-27% equity. You are doing great at this point keeping everyone mostly random. Now on to the flop betting to see who likes or dislikes their hand so we can move the other players from random to something more detailed. Those boards are not anything special for anyone else. I had hero at 19-27% equity while everyone was random and now with someone betting these nothing special boards, I still have hero at the bottom end of that spectrum and the hero is still at about 20% equity and this bettor is about 20% equity...staying nine handed. Hero and the flop bettor are way ahead of the field in equity. And then you can crunch that down since it is not nine handed and it is 3-4 handed depending if the SB is going to call or fold. I would try to "pull" the SB into the hand by only calling instead of "pushing" the SB out of the hand by raising. As mention, more players in a split pot game can make it possible to get quartered and still break about even or win.

So 4 handed with SB staying in I think it is about hero 30% and bettor 30% and other two player 20%, 20%. This is not a fortune maker, but I would not fold.

And 3 handed I think Hero is again about tied with the bettor so 37.5% hero, 37.5% bettor and other player about 25%. Again not a fortune maker but I am not folding.

Hero is also on the button and position has to be worth something in the great game of pot limit Omaha.

If we weren't on the button and / or our flush was a pip lower and/or we were significantly deeper stacked i would lean strongly your way.

idk what everyone is talking about. are you missing we have nuts on B1? with straight redraw and nf redraw?

if we have the top board locked up, no reason to raise. flat and eval. we can only be beat on B1 if it pairs or it goes runner runner. we also want as many players as possible to be in there to the turn since we only essentially playing for half.

We have the 2nd nfd.

i did miss that lol def flat then