Ukraine-Russia War Take 2
Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:
The site was hit with a massive spam attack where hundreds of spam threads were created. In the case where, for example, I see a single spam thread and delete it, that is called a soft delete, and mods can still see them but forum members cannot. Those deletion can be undone.
When a massive attack hits with hundreds of threads, an admin uses a different procedure where the hundreds of spam threads are merged and then hard deleted, where the threads are gone, and no note is left behind. As I have mentioned with my own experience of just soft deleting a large number of posts, sometimes a post or thread gets checked or merged accidentally and is deleted by mistake. Dealing with hundreds of spam threads takes a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
It appears that our Ukraine thread may have gotten caught up in that recent net of spam threads. If so, it is likely gone for good. I cant say this for sure, and am awaiting comments from admins on this issue. Yes, this sucks. And hopefully there was some other software glitch that caused the disappearance, and we may recover it in the future.
But in the meantime, I have created this new Ukraine-Russia War thread to enable the conversation to continue. Obviously continuity with earlier discussions will be lost. There is no way around that. So as best as possible, let's pick up the conversation with recent events and go from there.
If you have any questions about this, please post them in the mod thread, not here. Let's keep this thread going with posts about the war, not the disappearance of the old thread.
Thanks.
So should dictators be allowed to do what they want by threatening WW III if they're not allowed to do what they want, such as aggressively invading countries?
No but nukes make the first move much more important. Another reason why we should have defended Ukraine before the (then likely deterred) invasion.
speaking of actual russian interference, insane spy story from Italy.
2 enterpreneur installed cameras for free on taxi with some bullshit commercial excuse and they were mapping the city for Russia to find gray areas (areas not covered by speed cameras or other cameras) and the like
The U.S. and the U.K. via Ukraine attacked Krasnodar, a city in Russia with advanced missiles and only U.S./U.K. missile operators with a high level NAT SEC security clearance have the current access codes to plan, launch, target, and guide the missiles so this is basically the UK and United States attacking Russia, not Ukraine. It's only a matter of time before NATO is fully involved in the war. Welcome to ww4 enjoy the show (buckle up).
I wonder from those that think Biden getting out of the way would end the world if they believe Russia without Putin would end the world as well ?
IMO I feel it’s more a Putin war then a Russia war shrug
I wonder from those that think Biden getting out of the way would end the world if they believe Russia without Putin would end the world as well ?
What do you mean getting out of the way? He was never in the way. He never did anything, he stayed home or went to the beach where he fell asleep. His daily schedule was joke !
I hope you have happy daily moments in your world PB …
My understanding is that the war is popular amongst most Russians. They have a weird way of viewing the world.
I think if Putin got hit by a bus tomorrow he'd be replaced by someone worse.
Why threaten any media’s and social media’s of prison if it was so pro Russian?
Why the need of North Korea soldiers to defend Russia borders if it was so much pro Russians ?
Why so much disappearance /death of high level Russians not agreeing with Putin ?
I guess they have a funny way to see the world because they have too …
Why threaten any media’s and social media’s of prison if it was so pro Russian?
Why the need of North Korea soldiers to defend Russia borders if it was so much pro Russians ?
Why so much disappearance /death of high level Russians not agreeing with Putin ?
I guess they have a funny way to see the world because they have too …
1) Any country in a military time censors media. I guess you assume Ukraine is so pro Ukraine (I am using your wording) - don't you know how Ukraine brutally threatens any media’s and social media’s?
2) NK soldiers is a political move, not a soldiers shortage move (the way such NK hype goes viral without actual combat footage - means that the move is working)
3) Define "so much", who are those high level Russians? Also, Putin got reelected in 2024 with 87% rating, not 100%
Russians see this war the same way as Americans saw Iraq war - as a "military operation".
Bush worded Iraq a "military operation" and Putin worded Ukraine a "military operation".
If one calls Russians viewing the wold funny/weird, he should look in the mirror first
1) Any country in a military time censors media. I guess you assume Ukraine is so pro Ukraine (I am using your wording) - don't you know how Ukraine brutally threatens any media’s and social media’s?
2) NK soldiers is a political move, not a soldiers shortage move (the way such NK hype goes viral without actual combat footage - means that the move is working)
3) Define "so much", who are those high level Russians? Also, Putin got reelected in 2024 with 87% rating, not 100%
Russians see this war the
I love the fact you think Putin is in a democracy with 87% approval .
Keep the propaganda mate !
I love the fact you think Putin is in a democracy with 87% approval .
Keep the propaganda mate !
I didn't call anything a democracy. I expected people to get the sarcasm of 87-100 in my post. But I can elaborate: even with a such fake high number of 87%, there is still 13% out of 146kk population - why wonder over some rare cases? So I asked to define "so much". Maybe it's you who is fed by propaganda if you bring up stuff without fact checks? I don't see actual counterarguments
shortage of troops is extreme both for Ukraine and for Russia and that's kind of uncontroversial at this point.
NK troops are there for that reason
Wagner mercenary group too .
I didn't call anything a democracy. I expected people to get the sarcasm of 87-100 in my post. But I can elaborate: even with a such fake high number of 87%, there is still 13% out of 146kk population - why wonder over some rare cases? So I asked to define "so much". Maybe it's you who is fed by propaganda if you bring up stuff without fact checks? I don't see actual counterarguments
Russia is so much in Putin favour that is why , like many others , another political rival named Alexei Navalny end up dead lately….
You know the usual Russian way .
Wtf is going on...
More tanks taken out than Germany lost in WW2?
Russia loses another 1,610 soldiers and 27 armoured combat vehicles in one day
・approximately 732,350 (+1,610) military personnel;
・9,429 (+6) tanks;
・19,236 (+27) armoured combat vehicles;
・20,787 (+22) artillery systems;
・1,254 (+0) multiple-launch rocket systems;
・1,004 (+0) air defence systems;
・369 (+0) fixed-wing aircraft;
・329 (+0) helicopters;
・19,480 (+114) tactical and strategic UAVs;
・2,764 (+0) cruise missiles;
・28 (+0) ships/boats;
・1 (+0) submarine;
・29,948 (+84) vehicles and fuel tankers;
・3,681 (+2) special vehicles and other equipment.
Wtf is going on...
More tanks taken out than Germany lost in WW2?
Russia loses another 1,610 soldiers and 27 armoured combat vehicles in one day
・approximately 732,350 (+1,610) military personnel;
・9,429 (+6) tanks;
・19,236 (+27) armoured combat vehicles;
・20,787 (+22) artillery systems;
・1,254 (+0) multiple-launch rocket systems;
・1,004 (+0) air defence systems;
・369 (+0) fixed-wing aircraft;
・329 (+0) helicopters;
・19,480 (+114) tactical and
I have no idea what the actual numbers are, but the reported ones vary so widely I'm highly skeptical of all of them.
Russia has been running out of tanks, men, munitions, and economy since 2022. they are going to collapse any day now.
A large part is equpment that is outdated. It is being superceded with modern warfare technology
A large part is equpment that is outdated. It is being superceded with modern warfare technology
Well they appear to think that the men fighting for Russia are outdated and need to be superseded as well, I guess. Mr Un will have no problem lighting fire to his half of his people to stay in power.
The Ruble has taken a pretty creditable hit in the last few weeks. The money always shines a better light on what's actually happening than the news.
No but nukes make the first move much more important. Another reason why we should have defended Ukraine before the (then likely deterred) invasion.
A little history lesson because it is clear your reading of recent events doesn't go beyond the biased narrative of MSN.
After the breakup of the old Soviet Union, the transatlantic NATO alliance promised Russian president Gorbachev that NATO would not expand eastwards if Russia agreed to the reunification of both west and east Germany. The Americans lied, and over the next two-decades expanded NATO eastwards in five separate waves.
It has to be remembered that NATO was a defensive organisation during the cold war. It's continued expansion after the collapse of the Soviet Union is an aggressive policy threatening Russia's national security.
I suggest you google for the neoconservative policy document also known as the Wolfowitz Doctrine or, The Project for the American Century (PNAC).
This policy document dealt with projecting US military strategic power in isolating and dealing with both China and Russia. To maintain US global hegemony into the 22nd century.
One of the architects of PNAC was Robert Kagin husband of Victoria Nuland. It was Victoria Nuland working for the Obama administration who oversaw the colour revolution of Ukraine in 2014. She helped to funnel $5Billion to Ukrainian opposition groups which saw the democratically and lawful constitution of Ukraine changed at gunpoint by Ukrainian fascist and neo-Nazi militias. The Russian friendly President Viktor Yanukovich was replaced with a pro-western NATO puppet.
After the regime change, Ukraine took a more aggressive stance toward Russia. The neo-Nazi Azov with the help of arms shipments from Washington, started a civil war against ethnic Russians in the Donbass. Around 15,000 ethnic Russian civilians were murdered in cold blood by Ukrainian Nazis.
Russia immediately invaded eastern Ukraine to protect the Russian speaking peoples of Donbass, and to protect its strategically important Black Sea naval base in Crimea. Russia's presence in the Middle East is logistically supported by its Black Sea naval base. Washington neocons wanted the Ukrainians to seize control of this base.
A peace deal was brokered in the Minsk Agreements of 2015. But this peace treaty was a ruse by western powers who used it in order to rearm Ukrainian fascist groups.
The Ukrainian government became more bellicose toward Russia and those Russians in the Donbass. Ethnic Russians were banned from speaking Russian in public. Ukraine then threatened Russia by stating they were joining NATO and would allow nuclear bases to be deployed on Russia's border.
The threat of nuclear NATO bases on Russia's border is the modern day equivalent of the Cuban missile crisis. Had Russia allowed Ukraine to host NATO nuclear missile bases on its border, Moscow would not be able to defend itself from a nuclear decapitation first strike.
The PNAC document speculated how the United States could win a limited nuclear war against Russia. By launching a nuclear decapitation first strike destroying 90% of Russia's nuclear retaliatory missile silos. If Russia responded with its remaining 10% of nukes, they wrote, NATO would then turn Russia into glass. This is what they wrote, I am not making it up. That's why Putin acted in the way he did. The dumbass Americans think they can win a limited nuclear war against Russia, and keep that war inside the continent of Europe itself, keeping the US mainland out of the nuclear strikes.
A little history lesson because it is clear your reading of recent events doesn't go beyond the biased narrative of MSN.
After the breakup of the old Soviet Union, the transatlantic NATO alliance promised Russian president Gorbachev that NATO would not expand eastwards if Russia agreed to the reunification of both west and east Germany. The Americans lied, and over the next two-decades expanded NATO eastwards in five separate waves.
It has to be remembered that NATO was a defensive organisation d
False I stop read after this .
It is abundantly evident that Russian President Vladimir Putin is no fan of NATO. Indeed, he displays a pronounced—almost obsessive—antipathy toward the Alliance. He claims that NATO took advantage of Russian weakness after the collapse of the Soviet Union to enlarge to its east, in violation of promises allegedly made to Moscow by Western leaders. But no such promises were made—a point now confirmed by someone who was definitely in a position to know: Mikhail Gorbachev, then president of the Soviet Union.
FWIW , Russia do not have more right to expand in the west either …
