Trump 2nd term prediction thread
So, looks like Trump not only smashed the electoral college, but is looking on track to win the popular vote, which seems to be an unexpected turn of events, but a clear sign of the current temperature in the country and perhaps the wider world.
Would be interested to hear views on how his 2nd term will pan out from both sides of the aisle - major happenings, what he's going to get done, what he's not going to get done, the impact of his election on the current conflicts in Ukraine and Gaza, whether his popularity will remain the same, wane, or increase, etc.
A bit of an anemic OP, I know, just interested to hear people's thoughts now that the election uncertainty is over.
It's cracking me up that I'm here trying to explain that someone that voted directly for harris is not more responsible for Trump getting elected than people that voted for Trump or doesn't vote at all.
A variant of this phenomenon always happens. There were several people here who acted as if HRC was more responsible for the first Trump presidency than Trump was.
The sort of factual ignorance you describe is endemic among both Democratic and Republican voters. I don't think that Trump voters can be educated out of their support for Trump. The problem is more fundamental. As MrDavitWilliam said, Trump is a known quantity. Most of his supporters know who he is and what he is about. They embrace, or at least don't care much about, what you see as his shortcomings.
Trumpism has revealed that a lot of people don't really care about things like erosion of democratic norms. They want a couple of policies. They want a laugh. And they want to see the "other" vanquished (whatever the "other" means to them).
some people can think that trump didn't erode democratic norms, and/or that democrats did it a lot more (with government sponsored censorship of American citizens on social media for example, or by not requiring a photo ID to vote, or by refusing to apply the law and let record numbers of illegal immigrants in).
it's fairly easy to claim that democrats recently are an existential threat to democracy (and the western world in general) much more than Trump can ever be, because they were backed by most media as well which makes them exceptionally more dangerous.
people can disagree ofc as with all political claims
some people can think that trump didn't erode democratic norms, and/or that democrats did it a lot more (with government sponsored censorship of American citizens on social media for example, or by not requiring a photo ID to vote, or by refusing to apply the law and let record numbers of illegal immigrants in).
it's fairly easy to claim that democrats recently are an existential threat to democracy (and the western world in general) much more than Trump can ever be, because they were backed by m
Right. We already accounted for these people in the "stupid" and/or "ignorant" categories.
More charitable than your take, which is that everyone who has a different value scale from yours is morally bankrupt and evil.
That's what value sets definitionally are.
If you have a defined set of values you consider moral and good, anyone far enough from it will be definitionally morally bankrupt and evil
It's cracking me up that I'm here trying to explain that someone that voted directly for harris is not more responsible for Trump getting elected than people that voted for Trump or doesn't vote at all.
This was never the argument. Instead you were arguing that non-voters regardless of state are responsible for Trump.
This was never the argument. Instead you were arguing that non-voters regardless of state are responsible for Trump.
It's all ive been arguing for the past 10 pages of this thread. That you jumped in in the middle of it and specified the regardless of state part is your own fault. But yes, they are.
My whole point has been exactly that for the last 10 pages. For some reason you thought it was really important to jump in with a hypothetical about california and the electoral college, but that's just entirely your deal. The person I was talking to was ascribing blame to "dem supporters" rather than Trump supporters and vote-abstainers for trump being elected which is absolutely absurd.
But, no, really, thanks for jumping in with the california thing. It's been fun. Oh and an extra nod for trying to gaslight me about what I've been talking about for the past 10 pages. That was extra cool.
That's what value sets definitionally are.
If you have a defined set of values you consider moral and good, anyone far enough from it will be definitionally morally bankrupt and evil
We just throw in stupid and ignorant to account for those that support the morally bankrupt and evil but don’t actually share the same values as their leaders.
There are also those who believe in a different set of values that differ but are not morally bankrupt and evil. We call them fellow Americans. Not everything is binary.
The big question is if the Trump presidency will be better than Rodgers to the Jets. With Trump it's important to set the bar low.
It’s more of a Watson to the Browns analogy given the sexual assaults and lack of production in the prior years.
The sort of factual ignorance you describe is endemic among both Democratic and Republican voters. I don't think that Trump voters can be educated out of their support for Trump. The problem is more fundamental. As MrDavitWilliam said, Trump is a known quantity. Most of his supporters know who he is and what he is about. They embrace, or at least don't care much about, what you see as his shortcomings.
Trumpism has revealed that a lot of people don't really care about things like erosion o
When you say democratic norms would you include a primary in that, Not blocking third party candidates to appear on the ballot, and than trying to block removing that third party candidate from the ballot and lets not forget what they did to Bernie . Yeah Jan6 th
The voters cared about illegal immigration and the Dems did not till 6 months before an election , As for the economy I doubt it would have been any better under Trump
Kamala was doing great rising in the polls till she abandoned het Teleprompter joy tour and went on the Trump is evil teleprompter tour
Wow. More great picks by Trump.
FDA Comissioner.
Surgeon General.
CDC Director.
I think hyper progressive activism, of the type you support, turns people off Dems much more.
Were there a lot of what you're calling "hyper progressive" policies being pushed during the campaign?
Most of the messaging seemed to be around Israel, Ukraine and being tough on immigration iirc though I didn't watch much of it.
The big question is if the Trump presidency will be better than Rodgers to the Jets. With Trump it's important to set the bar low.
It’s more of a Watson to the Browns analogy given the sexual assaults and lack of production in the prior years.
Manning to the Broncos is the more accurate analogy.
I was thinking Jets because Trump's cabinet and top advisors are incompetent people that he likes a la Hacket, Ramdall Cobb, Lazard washed up Adams etc. Manning didn't crony up the Broncos. Of course still being pretty good himself helped. Rodgers seems washed up but Trump's original term for already a failure so the analogy fails there.
He makes a good point, basically the health question of our lifetime - why are we not addressing the route cause of diseases like diabetes, high blood pressure, obesity, psychological disorders, and even cancer instead of focusing on tiny pills that mostly mask the symptoms?
Changing your diet is one of the easiest cures in the world. There are even people who cured themselves from cancer by eating a lion diet (meat, water and salt). The human body knows how to heal itself much better than any pill can (which all come with side effects) if people would feed themselves the proper fuel instead of over eating carbs and under eating animal protein and fats.
He's also correct about the joke of a "food pyramid" that lists cereal as an important part of the human diet. Saying we need grains and fiber is a myth. There are recent studies that say the opposite. Hopefully these appointees will restructure their agencies from top to bottom.
jfc
