Limping suited connectors.

100 bigs is not much, unfortunately, but sure, if you get raised you will have to decide. I would want more ways than one to win the hand.

Of course. Limping is supposed to be taboo, but if you can flop the nuts and make some money or outplay your opponents, there is nothing wrong with it.

FWIW, "Any two cards" can flop the nuts, and attempting to outplay opponents when OOP with 65s is going to be a money loser in the long run.

I've completely stopped overlimping in EP/MP, and I think this has at least partially contributed to my better results the past 6 months.

I also never open-limp unless I'm UTG and it feels right in that moment to go for the LRR with AA.

Of course it's game-dependent. Your games may vary, but in my games, limping is just fine, and yes, I can outplay them with 56. Granted, I don't limp from EP, but MP and LP is fine. I've actually had better results by adding limping to my game 😉

I won't sit against unknowns and start limping, though.

Not a knock against you, but one has to be playing with droolers to be able to outplay them OOP with a hand like 65s.

It sounds like an awesome player pool to have as your opponents.

I've read years of javanewt's posts. She does play in an awesome player pool.

Oh, and to address the HH promotion, I wouldn't let it change my play much, but would maybe limp a few more hands if the promotion was 200 bigs or more.

If youre gonna limp (dont) it should be with suited high cards like K4s.

It's astounding. I wish they didn't get so lucky sometimes, though. At least it's easy to know when to fold.

I will sometimes overlimp / sometimes raise them in late position along with some suited gappers, Axs and some high card hands. I usually raise small pps in late position, for value multiway, and to often get a free turn card. I sometimes open limp / call small pps. I usually fold and sometimes raise suited connectors in ep. Not crazy about limp/folding or limp/calling them.

I don't see the point in always raising marginal hands at limpers. They generally don't care that you were the preflop raiser and you don't have to always build the pot.

I raise my entire opening range (I have no limping range). From late position I open all SCs other than maybe 23s, 34s, (more limpers I tighten up quite a bit though). EP I open almost as many - snap fold to a 3-bet usually depending on sizing - the thing is...a lot of people at my game don't have a 3-bet fold button and their 3-betting range is so narrow that the hand basically plays face up.

*I open 56s UTG+1*
*get raised by some guy IP*
if we're super deep I'll call here (although its speculative and folding is good too)
*flop comes Q-8-2r, I whiff*
*I check*
*If he has AA/KK/QQ he bets, if he has AK he bets about half or less of the time*
*because my opponents don't cbet enough IP I often get to see a free turn card*
*I usually still have nothing by the turn and fold*

That's the typical runout but the times I flop pair+draw or 2pair or trips or something I absolutely stack KK because no one folds KK or AA even on a 4-4-5 flush draw flop at my game.

Bad example - was card dead with 200BBs the other day, V covers, I open 9♣ 7♣ from LJ, he 3-bets from BTN and I call OOP. Flop comes something awful like A-5-2ssd and I check fold to his massive c-bet. Was this -EV? I don't know. The times I drill I absolutely DRILL. But it's nicer to be IP for sure.

Good example - I open 78s, guy minclicks with AA in position, I call. 150BBs effective. Flop is like 7-8-9FD all red like h-h-d. I check, he bets, I check/raise, he calls. Turn is another 8 so I boat up. I barrel, he calls. River is a brick 3 or 2. I bet like 3/4 pot leaving almost nothing back, he calls quickly with black AA.

one question, are you getting paid with your implied odds? if yes, then limperty limp limp limp. I like turning 35/33 - 28/26 into 66/26 here. post flop you should be crushing.

you have to be the poker table. limp call bluff shovel, your the lion at the table, you fear no one or their terrible pre flop raises.

Next time, tell us if your a nit or a lag please. if your tag you should know better.

Its great for our image, and we can out play them out of prostitution fav position.

Some people play that way, and I figured you did by your posts. I just fold 65s in ep. I don't think it is profitable to be raising all suited connectors from every position. Playing people who play too wide, part of my edge is playing solid but not nitty ranges. Are you calling raises or 3-betting with 65s? It seems likely to be a losing play to raise them in ep. Opening 65s UTG is definitely bad GTO. You may have a skill advantage, but those hands play worse multiway.

Now if it is a limped pot and I have a sc on the button, I have position and they have all shown weakness, so I would raise or limp it rather than fold it in position. If it is a raised pot and I have late position, I would fold suited connectors.

Raising 65s and calling a 3! may not be so good. If you have a small pp, you often have a call, particularly multiway, as you can win a big pot against an overpair or TPTK. With a sc, you make draws, but you don't make better than one pair on the flop that often. Pretty hard to play OOP against a strong range.

I just take my cards slide them towards the dealer. Calling raises with hands like 76s is usually going to be a money loser from any position.

Eh, I don’t think we should be limping anywhere but completing the SB and maybe some buttons.

If you’re limping 56s what are you doing with KQs? If you’re limping 22, what do you do with 77?

I prefer to have uncapped ranges and limping doesn’t jive with that.

I also embrace a higher variance style and am prone to punting from time to time. So … take anything I say with a couple grains of salt

Honestly depends so much on the game and the players with tougher games involving more 3-bets with SCs and RARELY (like I've done this twice in 1000 hours type thing) 4-bet 56s. But my typical game V tendencies (with ----> implication arrows):

1. People open too wide (even some of the "tight" people). A8o UTG+1, JTo MP, etc.

---> I'm often actually ahead or have great equity, 56s has 42% equity against A8o and I'm continually amazed at the garbage people are showing down at the river, even people I thought were on the nittier side are getting bored of folding. Ergo, my opens in EP with T9s are almost value bets.

2. People call WAY too wide and basically see a 3x BB open as a pot sweetener. If one or many people have already called my open then more are likely to call (even though this is bad logic). J8o is calling a 3x UTG open IP if two people have already called.

---> Have to navigate MW post-flop, this can be the hard part, it opens me up to flush over flush or trips-over-trips kicker issues. Basically I'm looking for a monster hand or dumping it.

3. People call with hands that should/need to be 3-bet. People are calling IP as premium as KK at my game because "I want to see if an A flops". So I'm basically never getting 3-bet.

---> Because I'm never getting 3-bet I get to set a price, at 1/3 this price is 10$, I open AA for 10$ as well though so it has no connection to my hand strength, pot control is no issue pre-flop so opening wider is fine.

4. Postflop people are just playing face-up. Even HU IP they're not c-betting nut flush draws.

---> I often get to the turn, I would say on average I get to the turn, sometimes only flop and sometimes river so I realize about 4/5ths of my raw equity.

5. People "trap" with their made hands WAY too much.

---> I take a ton of free cards and realize more equity.

6. My 1/3 plays pretty deep with 600-1200$ stacks being normal so IO are great.

---> obvious implicaton

Here is a reason I limp at my tables. They will limp/call a raise w/ almost any hand they are willing to play, and they almost never raise pre. This includes any suited J-A (like, J4), almost any non-suited 7T+, and any pair. If you hit a straight, set, two pair, and they have any piece of the board, they are calling you down. If they check, you can easily bet small and they will call with a piece/draw and fold everything else. Also, they will limp/shove AK (sometimes), KK/AA. There is no reason to bloat the pot pre-flop -- it just ends up costing you. Of course, I raise "normal" raising hands and mix in raising sc and small pairs from LP, but I limp, too.

While I'm jealous that you have such a piscine player pool, I can say without passion or prejudice that few 1-3 player populations are this soft.

Yeah, I love doing this, it completely throws people off. Absolutely my go to also.

Also means when they throw in the rare 3 bet, you only lose 10....absolutely prints moniezz!

How many populations have you sampled? As someone who has played all around the country from 2007-2020, I will say that at least as recently as just pre-COVID, there were many 1/3 player populations like that, and it was my default population read in the Midwest and parts of the Southwest.

On the West Coast it was hit or miss, and I agree that it's rare in Vegas and in the Northeast, and basically unheard of in Texas, where the games played wild and aggro when I last was there. In many places, though, it was still common in 2020, and I presume since, though I've been in Poker Purgatory since then.

I often overlimp scs and other hands from CO and BTN. Limped pots often become really large and there is value in getting in in position. Sometimes I have hands I don't want to raise with but limping is better than folding.

I don't see this rule about never limping because it is a donk play. You want to look like a cool kid never limping. It is better to have all plays available.

If you are opening 65s from UTG whatever sizing, you may be losing with it. You can't run software like online on your database and see.

Unless its deep stacked you're better off folding or raising. Your cards are suited but with people playing anything you can make a flush and be gone. Also, it's telling that you have something like 78s if you open limp and call. Raise, narrow the field down and then it will seem like you have a stronger hand than you do.

Picture 67h. 4 people limp to you. You raise it to 25. 1 person calls. Flop is A, 7, 2 rainbow. You c bet. They fold. You get 12 BB in profit. That's far better than going to 5 ways to that board.