1/3/6bu straddle - JJ sb tough
Not sure how to proceed on turn. villain is loose and plays too many hands. I’ve seen her turn over T2o in limped pot where she was in c/o. And i’ve seen her make loose flop calls. Also i saw her jam a bomb pot on the turn w/ just a pair on both boards and it wasn’t even TP on either one.
villain is the bu straddle - 1 limp, she goes 30 - i go 80 in sb with JcJs , folds to by call. $750 eff
flop - T82dd ($170ish)
hero cbet $60, and villain raises to 205, hero calls (i think i should bet bigger or just x)
turn 4c (2 fd on board) ($580)
x, villain bets 200 (has about 350 left), hero?
I lose to sets, but there are a ton of overcard hands that i’m beating. And all the sets prob call the $6 straddle except for maybe TT. And that wouldn’t be that far off if villain calls that too pre.
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If v is the button straddle, isn’t hero in sb first to act? Did you c/r the straddle?
Pre-flop sizing is a big mistake here. You should be going $120 or more. You will get additional value and you will create an easier spot for yourself OOP (SPR of 2.5 vs SPR of 4). You also benefit from fold equity, especially if you want to have 3bet bluffs. When you make it $80, Villain is probably continuing with her entire range.
I don’t think I would fold your hand on a double flush draw board against a loose and potentially aggressive opponent. Her turn sizing seems weak too. As played, I guess I would jam.
In some games, w/ BTN straddle UTG is still first to act. I assume that's the case here.
I 3bet bigger pre. ~$100. C-bet bigger unless your plan was to induce a raise from BTN. Turn I either shove or fold -- it's a table read. I don't want to give her a free card. Vs this player from my computer I probably just shove.
shoot i made a mistake - no bu straddl - it was reg UTG straddle.
With regards to pre flop, im beginning to notice a lot of ppl won’t continue in hands when i 4x it oop. I prob should’ve went 100 tho. Vs her maybe 120 is best.
With regards to pre flop, im beginning to notice a lot of ppl won’t continue in hands when i 4x it oop. I prob should’ve went 100 tho. Vs her maybe 120 is best.
Here's a secret: When you're squeezing with JJ from the blinds, you rarely want to see a flop.
The reason we don't just blast off, though, is for those times when we're facing QQ/KK/AA and we can fold to a reraise.
When straddles raise closing the action they usually have a good hand. I would not 3b/4b some of the most face up villians in my pool even with hands as strong as JJ because they always have QQ+ which is why it's so important to raise pre instead of limping in. A lot of terrible players only 3b QQ+ and call with AK.
The flop is bad for your range, and your bet sizing is poor. You want to bet bigger like $100-$140. It will be harder for her to check/raise this size.
Calling the check raise is another mistake - you want to just jam it in. You're gonna hate half the deck. You let her just check back turns she doesn't like for free and wreck you.
I'm not exactly sure why you think this is a tough hand, but it sounds to me like you need to study some more common spots, because this is a very common spot 100bb~ deep.
shoot i made a mistake - no bu straddl - it was reg UTG straddle.
With regards to pre flop, im beginning to notice a lot of ppl won’t continue in hands when i 4x it oop. I prob should’ve went 100 tho. Vs her maybe 120 is best.
Always Fondling hit this already but I feel compelled to respond as well. Playing 3bet pots OOP sucks. It isn't really a great spot for us when we 3bet JJ and get called. A lot of the value in 3betting this hand OOP is that most of the time our opponents are all going to fold and we get to win $44 rake-free without seeing a flop.
Sure, if you have AA (and to a lesser extent KK), you kinda want action when you're 3betting from the SB. But the majority of the time, you should be pretty happy when all of your opponents fold to your OOP 3bets. If you want, I don't think it's a huge mistake to 3bet a little bit smaller when you have AA, to encourage your opponents to continue. But don't do that with JJ.
Also - if your opponents always fold when you 3bet to the standard sizing of 4X, maybe you should consider 3betting more?? It's unlikely that you are 3betting more than you are supposed to in theory so if your opponents are overfolding to you, start to widen your range!
When straddles raise closing the action they usually have a good hand. I would not 3b/4b some of the most face up villians in my pool even with hands as strong as JJ because they always have QQ+ which is why it's so important to raise pre instead of limping in. A lot of terrible players only 3b QQ+ and call with AK.
The flop is bad for your range, and your bet sizing is poor. You want to bet bigger like $100-$140. It will be harder for her to check/raise this size.
Calling the check raise i
i made a mistake on the straddle - UTG is the straddle, villain raises BU after a limp. Couldn’t edit my original post.
Jamming flop does seem like a decent play, i do hate most of the deck on the turn. I opted to call for a safe turn before committing.
And yes, definitely need a ton of work. i think if i play this at 5NL online i jam flop and not give it a 2nd thought. But still having a hard time separating the monetary value, which is sad cause it’s the lowest stakes i can play live.
In due time i guess. thanks for all replies, i did jam over her turn bet and she tank folded. Guess a poorly played underpaid or just overcards (i suspect she calls off her FDs).
i made a mistake on the straddle - UTG is the straddle, villain raises BU after a limp. Couldn’t edit my original post.
Jamming flop does seem like a decent play, i do hate most of the deck on the turn. I opted to call for a safe turn before committing.
And yes, definitely need a ton of work. i think if i play this at 5NL online i jam flop and not give it a 2nd thought. But still having a hard time separating the monetary value, which is sad cause it’s the lowest stakes i can play live.
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Just put the hand into any solver - it will show you exactly what to do in this spot. It gets more challenging when you are deeper, but for 100bb it's a no brainer.
Just put the hand into any solver - it will show you exactly what to do in this spot. It gets more challenging when you are deeper, but for 100bb it's a no brainer.
any recommendations for a solver? i don’t have access to one but have been interested in trying it out, but nothing expensive lol. thanks