WPN ''Steals'' more than 50k in rewards
Hello my name is Frederico Nizzato da Silva, I have played poker professionally since 2018. Playing cash games since 202
Hi zinhao, Your stable is at the cutting edge of poker and it would be foolish to throw that away for 30K in rakeback at 200NL Blitz. I fully believe that you never meant for this to happen. To expand briefly on my thoughts: If I was Nizza or Biluzin playing 200,000+ hands a month, I have one main challenge which is to remain fresh so that my poker skill does not get substan
you'd still pay rake to play your "teammates". it doesnt make sense
If this is the case and they are so spectacular, why would they grind so much time on 200b?
he's still young to the game, but he didnt play only 200b. 200b is the easiest way to make volume and to sustain a smooth grind. Pedro was 1.8bb/100 up before rakeback iirc, so making 2kk hands and receiving 3.5bb/1000 in rakeback (~65%) is more or less $200k a year. Is not easy to make this not even at 1kNL nowadays, there's a bunch of things you have to take into account when choosing limits/type of grinding.
but he played 400nl, 600nl, 1knl with 200b also. and when he was banned he started to play more GG with good table selection and played up to 10k before they made the games private. so i'd say that choice of making hard volume was a type of grind he wanted to do in that time, and you have a lot of different habilities in poker. We had several highstakes grinders but the guy who made the biggest money into a year was a midstake grinder who made 2kk hands per year 2 years straight. If you can sustain a very good a-game for several hours in a soft pool that can lead to biggest hourly that the vast majority of the highstakes grinders. when i say he's spectacular is not only his capacity of receive content and internalize it, but his capacity of grinding a lot, sustain A game, dont tilt, etc.
you are not seeing the reality of how the situation works because you are too worried about hating stables without even understanding how they work: all players on our company have individual contracts, individual interests and individual deals, individual routines, lifes etc. there's no such thing as "stable's best interest", we didn't tell Rubens Barricello to stop the car so
You’re misunderstanding my post. I’m asking a question - which is could it be in a “stable’s best interest” to soft play? This is basically what WPN is claiming. That somehow your player(s) are benefiting from soft playing each other. If the math says it can’t be in a stable’s best interest to soft play (aka having a non aggression agreement) - then WPNs accusations don’t make sense and stems from a lack of understanding on their part.
I’m not accusing anyone of wrongdoing. Personally I don’t see the benefit of stable members softplaying against each other, aside from using less mental “resources”.
You’re misunderstanding my post. I’m asking a question - which is could it be in a “stable’s best interest” to soft play? This is basically what WPN is claiming. That somehow your player(s) are benefiting from soft playing each other. If the math says it can’t be in a stable’s best interest to soft play (aka having a non aggression agre
yes exactly. sorry for missunderstanding. rake is higher than 0. there's no way to soft play and win money between 2 or more individuals if they are colluding. yes, its lack of understanding to say the least about them. we all know what it is: scam
If this is the case and they are so spectacular, why would they grind so much time on 200b?
he's still young to the game, but he didnt play only 200b. 200b is the easiest way to make volume and to sustain a smooth grind. Pedro was 1.8bb/100 up before rakeback iirc, so making 2kk hands and receiving 3.5bb/1000 in rakeback (~65%) is more or less $200k a year. Is not easy to make t
I see, makes sense thank you for explanation!
Any updates mate?
Unfortunately ACR didn't even bother saying ****. It's a shame. This room is the worst. Anyway we still believe it will work out. We are going to start posting on twitter and other social medias. I ask for those who wants to help, to keep spreading the word as much as possible. Thanks !
BTW , did they answer you angelar ?
ya 2+2 should not have been the first place you came to if that's what you did. You have to complain on twitter these days to people with followers and hope one them have ethics and the energy to help you. maybe try to get on berkeys podcast they don't really have anything to talk about
Unfortunately ACR didn't even bother saying ****. It's a shame. This room is the worst. Anyway we still believe it will work out. We are going to start posting on twitter and other social medias. I ask for those who wants to help, to keep spreading the word as much as possible. Thanks !
BTW , did they answer you angelar ?
No answer, but honestly at this point I don´t know what else I can do. If you get some kind of update would love to hear.
I have tried to reach out team pros like Ceegee or Weazel but they do not give a ****, I am really getting tired of this whole situation.
No answer, but honestly at this point I don´t know what else I can do. If you get some kind of update would love to hear.
I have tried to reach out team pros like Ceegee or Weazel but they do not give a ****, I am really getting tired of this whole situation.
I understand this is a shitty situation for you guys.
I want to reiterate. I am not responsible for anything related to game integrity. I'm just an ambassador. I have no say when it comes to anything involving banning or unbanning. ACR ambassadors or Team Pros have nothing to do with this whole scenario. Game integrity is who you need to discuss this with, and if they won't hear you out, it won't help anything for me to ask them. I also don't have ANY information on this case, they don't discuss anything with us.
Wow Im shocked that a poker site that puts their ads on porn sites would not be completely on the up and up
I understand where you're going with these questions and although I have very little hope that you have the will to understand, I'll try:We don't need to, no one in the world needs to do this. If you go to hh***********, statname.net, ********.com, you can buy a database larger than any stable is capable of producing. This war on stables and public opinion against us is just a
This was your answer for the question if you are combining Meta hh for MDA purposes. We have someone on this forum openly talking about Meta's use of MDA and the database they have access to. You're not trying to get of on a technicality right? There's a 0% chance you don't add your horses hands to your database. 0.
Yes I created this account just to comment this. Apart from CFPs being pure cancer and there obviously being tons of reasons why OP and his friends could and most likely would soft-play, you're kinda lying? I understand English isn't your first language so perhaps meta has access to a huge database but doesn't add hands of their horses? Which I 100% would never believe btw.
Anyone who has worked with data seriously in any market would laugh at people who say this, as these accusations make no sense. That's not how MDA works.
As someone who works with data. What exactly are you claiming I would laugh at? Stables absolutely are a drain on the poker ecosystem. I fail to understand why you'd deny this.
https://mundopoker.com.br/noticias/geral...
Another scandal involving this trash site. Their ambassador were using RTA in game, he posted today excusing himself for it, and now its all fine ! It`s a fucking joke. This is what ppl deserve i guess, nowadays no one cares what happens to others until it happens to them. O some brazilian guys were banned for nothing after grinding insane volume ? fuck that i don't care, i can still play without them on the pool. O they don`t pay their streamers ? fuck that i dont care i don`t stream. O their ambassador were caught using RTA ? fuck that i don`t even play the venom.
While that they keep doing whatever they want. Allowing bots to play, banning whoever they want without any justification, and so on. Because when we expose all the shit they do, ppl still give a fuck. `` Oh you play for stable you deserve that ``. Yeah sure we all deserve a nasty company treating all of us like that. I am like everyone else am just a working men who chose poker as my carrier, i have family to sustain and bills to pay like everyone else. But who cares ... Until happens to you fuck all that let them do what they want !
For those that have a different view and are on our side. I ask you even if I don`t ever get unbanned again or ever see this money again, just keep supporting what is right. And let ppl know what a shit company ACR WPN is. And all their staff.
For the regs that accused us of RTA or being bots. you should be ashamed. LGLA fredbullit and their friends. They accused us because their wr were dropping, they couldn't handle the heat. Because they are weak regs that play there for years now ... And everyone knows they all know each other as well. Could be us accusing you guys ! how would it be them ? Instead of point fingers to other regs without asking or knowing, go study and get better, stop being those miserable regs you guys are.
https://mundopoker.com.br/noticias/geral/nacho-barbero-posta-story-jogando-o-the-venom-deixa-vazar-gto-wizard-aberto-durante-sessao-e-se-justifica-confira/ Another scandal involving this trash site. Their ambassador were using RTA in game, he posted today excusing himself for it, and now its all fine ! It`s a ****ing joke. This is what ppl deserve i guess, nowadays no one cares
This is laughable. I think the poker site got it right on this one.
These guys are a joke. Just look at this last message ... complaining about how nobody cares about stuff like this until it happens to them....how people should fight for what's right...he's just a hard working man, etc etc
What a joke!
-The poker site has had issues in the past, the OP knew this a played anyway, so he didn't gave a darn how many players got screwed over for various reasons in the past. He is a pro, he looked at the rakeback offers they were offering and made the business decision to give this "****" site a ton of his business (volume) with no concern whatsoever about how many players they screwed over before him.
-then he opens an account here to ask for help and try to pressure the site to pay him. Despite being a pro and never participating in any other issues of players getting screwed at various sites over the years. So he never gives a damn about anyone else or trying to help anyone else. Then he complains that nobody wants to help him!
Chances are Mizzi now plays on another site that most likely has screwed players over because they offer a better deal. Or maybe he quit online poker to become a player advocate and dedicates all his time to help players having issues with poker sites. Wonder which is more likely. GTFOOH
https://mundopoker.com.br/noticias/geral/nacho-barbero-posta-story-jogando-o-the-venom-deixa-vazar-gto-wizard-aberto-durante-sessao-e-se-justifica-confira/ Another scandal involving this trash site. Their ambassador were using RTA in game, he posted today excusing himself for it, and now its all fine ! It`s a ****ing joke. This is what ppl deserve i guess, nowadays no one cares
I mean this with all due respect but the only idiots here are you guys. The entire poker world knows ACR is a joke. They have dogshit reg ambassadors like Weazel defending them and that's it. They've had never ending cheating, rta, collusion and botting scandals since literally for ever.
I have absolutely 0 sympathy for you. 0.
https://mundopoker.com.br/noticias/geral/nacho-barbero-posta-story-jogando-o-the-venom-deixa-vazar-gto-wizard-aberto-durante-sessao-e-se-justifica-confira/ Another scandal involving this trash site. Their ambassador were using RTA in game, he posted today excusing himself for it, and now its all fine ! It`s a ****ing joke. This is what ppl deserve i guess, nowadays no one cares
They are a bunch of clowns that got lucky because of the terrible US poker regulations
Im zinhao, co-founder of Metagame with my partner Saulo Costa. How exactly do you think they or we abused rakeback system while rakeback isnt more than 100%? If there are only them in the pool and hipotetically they were doing what you’re saying, they keep paying rake, doesnt matter how much. It doesnt make sense, its a -EV investment.Do you understand the concept of rake and r
Nice foreshadowing.
I understand where you're going with these questions and although I have very little hope that you have the will to understand, I'll try:We don't need to, no one in the world needs to do this. If you go to hh***********, statname.net, ********.com, you can buy a database larger than any stable is capable of producing. This war on stables and public opinion against us is just a
MDA is against the ToS of any major site that I know, let's start with that 😀 . We all do it, but still...
Now, a short story: At the end of the Cash Made Simple community, Saulo made a short recruitment video for metagame, and one of his arguments for why we should apply for the stable, was how your engineers go as far as suggesting gameplans against specific players (Cameron Couch popped up hehe). No matter how you guys got the data, by combining databases or buying HHs, if this is not completely out of line, I don't know what out of line is.
Cheers!
