Facing flop rr &2/3 no limit, loose splashy table

This likely could have been avoided by 3-betting preflop, which is the only solver-approved response with AQo on the BTN to a large CO open-raise in a raked-pot game. Even without rake it prefers raising to calling 75%-25%...and reraising greatly reduces the likelihood of these kinds of cluster****s post-flop.

Yes good point, but as played?

As played ( and yes you messed it up pre) it's close basically you will have to put in 350 to win 560 roughly. Do you have any better hands as played like 6x? If BB can be on a draw or a worse q you have to call with the Ac. You have to win roughly a third of the time. You have 10pc to hit a q and 5pc bdfd chance. If he can have kq it's a call. Probably I'd call then get it in on the turn. But fold without Ac. If you fold here it's probably no big deal though

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Fold here.

Not all check raises are the same. CO has opened huge and potted the flop into two opponents. This is so strong, and really looks like AA or KK. Then, you have called the pot-sized bet next to act. This is also extremely strong. You have to have a good hand or strong draw to do this.

When BB sees these two strong actions, and decides to check-raises anyway, he should always have 6X. There aren’t even any realistic semi-bluffs here, and especially so when you hold the Ac.

Edit: want to add in that I would also recommend 3bet or fold pre in this spot against the big open.

Bruh.

3B pre. Doesn't need to be huge. If the standard open is $15, and he opened for $20, just make it $50. That's large enough to make it clear you're not just effing around, but small enough to keep the SPR manageable going to the flop.

I'm turbo folding to the BB's x/r. CO opened huge, got called, c-bet for full pot, into two opponents, and got called, on a paired, two-tone board. BB would have to have balls big enough to ride in a dump truck to be bluffing here.

Any chance that after the hand, CO said he folded JJ or TT? That over-sized open sort of screams "don't really know if I want to see a flop."

Bruh?

Blood!

Yes agree with 3 bet but....

In 1/3 games it's very common to see people raising huge pre with premiums giving away their hand strength. That discourages 3 betting.

Do i 3 bet AQ and then what when he jams?

So the reveal is this.

The raise from the cutoff was 1010.

The re raise was 3s 5s, a stone bluff.

So the 3 bet would've have saved that situation, (and just told to a jam).

But where we have top top in a vacuum, i'm thinking that the hand strength is too strong to fold at these stakes.

Too many crazy plays. Weaker king, stone bluff, mid sized pair. I've seen all of these raise or jam in similar situations.

I usually fold pre to this raise size.

I snap fold to the raise.

If you're putting him on a nitty, premium range then why even bother playing AQo?

If you're not sure and you make the proper decision to 3-bet, then you have a super easy fold to a 4-bet.

I've probably logged 5,000 hours playing 1/3, about half of that in one of the biggest rooms on the East coast. You're not telling me anything I don't know.

Like I said, you can 3B to $50. You can fold if he jams. You need to have a 3B range that includes more than just AA/KK. It's called "playing poker". If you're scared to 3B a CO open with AQ on the BTN, that's a leak.

The next time you 3B him, he may fold, or you may have AA/KK, and can snap him off. Since so few 1/3 players will 4B light, the vast majority of the time, you'll just get called, and see a flop with an uncapped range and the betting lead in position.

So...TT isn't a "premium", which contradicts your post above, about the raise size being an indication of strength. It's actually exactly what I expected, when I asked if the CO folded JJ or TT - a sign of a hand that is scared to see a flop multi-way or OOP.

If you 3B pre, you likely would have taken it down. Unlikely the BB even sees the flop. Action likely would have checked to you on the flop, and the hand would have been extremely easy to play. You could c-bet small, and just go bet-bet-bet, to get value from all the CO's PP's between 77 and JJ.

It sounds like a super-soft game, where guys are punting off big chunks of their stacks, and showing their bluffs. While making a light call with AQ here may have been reasonable for the game, your OP said V was new to the table and a complete unknown, so folding to his x/r is going to be higher EV in the long run than making a light call with TPTK on a low paired board.

I don't like a 3! with AQ when he raises huge. There are a lot of situations in 1/3 when it is best not to 3! hands of that strength.

That's why Hero should've folded if he wasn't going to raise.

I think pre-flop is 3bet or fold. It may be a bigger sizing from villain, but you’ll rarely - if ever - run into a 4bet bluff. Usually these bigger sizes are 99-JJ that don’t want action because they don’t know how to navigate post when “scary” boards come out.

As played, I think raising CO on flop is probably best.

As played, we have to fold now? We and BB are the only ones who have 6x in our range based on pre-flop action. He just x/r into a pot size bet & call. Especially with villain being an unknown

This spot could have been avoided by 3 betting pre. If youÂ’re not 3 betting AQ pre, what hands are you doing that with?

You asked what to do if villain 4bet jams?! Fold. Super easy game. At these stakes, villains play super straight forward in 3 bet pots and we print money. YouÂ’ll get a ton of folds, a ton of calls & x/folds. Most villains are MUBS-ey, understandably, so we have to exploit that.

Oh wow. Lock the doors.

I might not 3! Aq for what it's worth.

As you said, the raise size is a tell of strength. If V has a limping range, it's even stronger.

Suppose he limps low pps, sc, makes it 15 with AJ KQ 88 etc and makes it 20 with TT+ and AQs+ not sure what a 3! accomplishes.

Edit: though you do want to take it pre with a rake, keeping bad players in the blinds in the hand is a good reason to call.

Agree.

Yes, I regard 1010 + AK/AQ to be premiums. I think it was a mandatory 3 bet, and that's where I misplayed the hand.

Post - I shouldve jammed over the r/r. I am at the top of my range, and fish are not always raising a 6 on the flop.

In the games I play there are probably more recreational players than you are used to. People are doing crazy things, and my leak is clearly being too inclined to fold.

Nailed it.

Calling is probably worse though. You are inviting the BB in. Anything that 4bets you has you crushed anyways, to the point that if you hit your hand with AQ it may well be no good, and it is better we find out sooner rather than later. But we have 2 overs and position vs hands like JJ. We can rep a k well. We may get AK to fold postflop if he doesn't 4bet and whiffs.

I actually think that if we think his range is just that strong, we may just fold. Unless he is using that open size with his whole range or at least is being spewey with that size. But if he is splitting raise sizes and limping, I would just fold. We punish this guy so hard by not getting to fold every time he has an uber premium and we don't. Something he won't be able to reciprocate since we don't have imbalanced preclop sizing tells.