UnitedHealth CEO Assassinated
The murder of UnitedHealthcare's CEO is a strange story. On the one hand, the killer obviously was taking steps to avoid getting caught. He was wearing a hoodie. He used a silencer. He clearly had an escape plan.
On the other hand, he was wearing a distinctive backpack. He may have left a food wrapper and a water bottle at the scene. And there was writing on each of the three shell casings (the words "deny," "defend," and "depose").
luciom banning masks, lol wtf?
i thought you were all about personal freedoms
Yeah that's what I was thinking
Sure you can when others make assumptions that hitmen are always professional. You can validly point out that this isn't alway so, even if you don't personally buy into a hired gun in this specific case at present.
I in no way said that hitmen are always professional. I specifically mentioned the class of person I was talking about in my first post, but you came back with generalities, so I asked for you to list some cases of people in her class and you refused. But sure, if you want to talk about case after case of middle-class people hiring crude hitmen, sure, knock yourself out.
Of course. What I'm asking is what evidence needs to be brought forth before you are convinced you're wrong? Certainly 70+ court cases failing in court wasn't enough to convince you that the 2020 election wasn't stolen, yes?
It this were a murder for hire for personal reasons, I would expect less extravagant circumstances. Sure, you can argue that the expensive backpack, the Monopoly money, the weird gun, the engravings on the bullets, etc., were all intended to make police think that this wasn't a killing for hire, but the bottom line is that this guy shot someone in the middle of midtown Manhattan in broad daylight. His chances of getting caught were extremely high. His chances of getting caught close to the scene were reasonably high. Hired killers generally do not want to get caught.
Anything is possible, of course. People do dumb things all the time. But I wouldn't rate this scenario as at all likely.
The choice of gun seems bizarre to me. Getting a suppressor for a normal $700 9mm semi can't be more difficult than an exotic $2,000+ basically collector piece. And engraving the shells means you wanted them left at the scene, why use something you need to manually cycle?
Seems an obvious theory is shooter knew of someone with this gun and stole it keeping the degree of separation between between him and the original owner pretty close which points to a non professional.
I guess it could also be used in the wife theory. A gun like that may be more likely to be in wealthy circles of people the wife hangs around with. Maybe she supplied the gun? Quite a stretch imo but a case could be made.
I in no way said that hitmen are always professional. I specifically mentioned the class of person I was talking about in my first post, but you came back with generalities, so I asked for you to list some cases of people in her class and you refused. But sure, if you want to talk about case after case of middle-class people hiring crude hitmen, sure, knock yourself out.
You stated she hired a professional hitman and I simply said hitmen aren't always professional. Not sure how a wife with presumably no underworld connections would know pro hitmen anyway.
We actually knew someone who hired a hit man. The Adelsons. It didn’t work out well for them.
You stated she hired a professional hitman and I simply said hitmen aren't always professional.
You are mistaken. I didn't say she hired a professional hitman. I don't think this person is a hired hitman at all, professional or otherwise.
Others asserted that he is a hitman hired by the wife, and I simply stated that someone of her class is not going to hire a dude and say, "Do it, and I don't care about the details" and then dude just plugs a guy in midtown at 7am when her ass is on the line if he gets caught.
Not sure how a wife with presumably no underworld connections would know pro hitmen anyway.
Well, the steps/risks that need to be taken to find a pro are the same steps/risks that need to be taken to find someone who isn't a pro. But you can take that up with the actual people who think she hired someone to take her husband out.
The murder of UnitedHealthcare's CEO is a strange story. On the one hand, the killer obviously was taking steps to avoid getting caught. He was wearing a hoodie. He used a silencer. He clearly had an escape plan.
On the other hand, he was wearing a distinctive backpack. He may have left a food wrapper and a water bottle at the scene. And there was writing on each of the three shell casings (the words "deny," "defend," and "depose").
A suppressed 9mm is just a little bit quieter than an unsuppressed 22 LR. I don't think using a can assists the killer going unnoticed, considering how blatant the act was.
Of course. What I'm asking is what evidence needs to be brought forth before you are convinced you're wrong? Certainly 70+ court cases failing in court wasn't enough to convince you that the 2020 election wasn't stolen, yes?
The police / FBI saying it was someone else. You're way off in the weeds on the other thing.
You are mistaken. I didn't say she hired a professional hitman. I don't think this person is a hired hitman at all, professional or otherwise.
Yeah I know and my apologies, that simply came out wrong, lol.
But you responded to SRN :
Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen
I’m doubling down on wife got herself a hitman
The timing of all this and the history of outrage versus what this level of ‘action’ seems way too arbitrary to be ‘viva la revolucion!’ re: health care
You then asked
So you're saying a well-to-do wife hired a professional hitman that wasn't smart enough to conceal his face in public, or simply get an itinerary from the wife so he could do it in an area without 200 cameras? Did she hire this hitman during a Black Friday sale?
Sorry but this is an assumption that she's gonna hire an actual pro (within the context of your sceptical response to srn). Lots of cases where "civilians", not connected to gangsters/organised crime have hired non pros. The actor Robert Blake was at least wealthy or well to do, but at his trial two stuntmen stated Blake had tried to hire them to murder his wife. He was acquitted, and whether true or not is ultimately neither here nor there as the prosecution contended as such and neither of the stuntmen were pro assassins.
But I was simply commenting that not all hired hitmen are pros. Also, just because she's loaded doesn't mean she'd know pro killers.
That said this is all kinda superfluous anyway as we essentially agree with each other that it's unlikely she was involved
Others asserted that he is a hitman hired by the wife, and I simply stated that someone of her class is not going to hire a dude and say, "Do it, and I don't care about the details" and then dude just plugs a guy in midtown at 7am when her ass is on the line if he gets caught.
Sorry but this is just another assumption with all due respect. Lots of dumb people who commit crimes in a dumb manner.
Well, the steps/risks that need to be taken to find a pro are the same steps/risks that need to be taken to find someone who isn't a pro. But you can take that up with the actual people who think she hired someone to take her husband out.
Risks, sure, steps, dunno. I knew a bloke who was hired to murder another bloke and did it for 300 quid and a bottle of methadone. Wife hired him as it happens and both were caught in no time. But it was easier for her to find and hire a non pro than a professional assassin.
But again all this is kinda irrelevant anyway as neither of us buy into the idea that the wife's involved, at present.
Public areas are co owned property, it's legitimate to regulate what you can or can't do there (including having guns).
2a though exists while there is no constitutional right to wear masks in public, to be irrecognizable in general.
But in a country without the 2a It would be legitimate to limit what you can bring with yourself in public in general.
What's not legitimate is when they tell you what you can do within private property.
There is no contradiction.
Check mat !
Luciom freedom notion is about what he likes not what is freedom .
We actually knew someone who hired a hit man. The Adelsons. It didn’t work out well for them.
Just watched a youtube true crime thing on this quite recently recently actually, saw the mother in law being arrested at the airport. So were they strange, or normal?
I knew a hired hitman, I'd known him since I was a teen, I was in school with him and his brother. He got out a couple of years ago.
The wife also got sentenced, which kinda didn't sit right with me as she'd been through the mill. Weirdly enough her daughter was convicted of manslaughter in a separate case a few years later.
A suppressed 9mm is just a little bit quieter than an unsuppressed 22 LR. I don't think using a can assists the killer going unnoticed, considering how blatant the act was.
that gun is probably the quietest option around and while it was in manhattan, it was also early in the morning
if he used a louder gun, his escape would have been a lot more difficult because there surely would be a much larger radius of witnesses who hear the shots and call it in
Just watched a youtube true crime thing on this quite recently recently actually, saw the mother in law being arrested at the airport. So were they strange, or normal?
I knew a hired hitman, I'd known him since I was a teen, I was in school with him and his brother. He got out a couple of years ago.
The wife also got sentenced, which kinda didn't sit right with me as sh
They were normal. My husband and FIL used to play tennis doubles with the dad and Wendi.
Oh whoa, your guy used a samurai sword?? Wtf
read the wiki, the guy they murdered seemed like a real jerk
he literally made it legally impossible for the grandmother be alone with her grandkids because she had made disparaging remarks about the father - absolutely insane that you can actually do that
We actually knew someone who hired a hit man. The Adelsons. It didn’t work out well for them.
Interesting case. Seems like the victim's ex-brother-in-law found the contract killer through his girlfriend, so I'm still unconvinced that the average bod can go out somewhere or online somewhere and safely find a contract killer.
Interesting case. Seems like the victim's bother-in-law found the contract killer through his girlfriend, so I'm still unconvinced that the average bod can go out somewhere or online somewhere and safely find a contract killer.
Yeah. I mean, the Adelsons were very wealthy but not CEO of UH wealthy. So who knows. I just know what the Adelsons did and it wasn’t a professional.
Ireland has stricter gun control than you crazy Americans, and 300 quid is 300 quid, whaddyagonnado? 😃
I'd met the victim a couple of times (it was the kinda neighbourhood were you just kinda ran into people) and I gotta say he was a psychopath imo. My brother had also warned me to avoid him, he was well known around the neighbourhood as a thug and there was a lot of sympathy for the wife at least, at the time.
Other reasons I don.t think it was a pro/someone hired. Terrible gun choice really. Ok I need to nail this dude let me google classic assassin's gun and pay the tax stamp for the silencer on the swanky new version. Nope. Pretty much guaranteed a pro/anyone else you'd reasonably consider could get a proper pistol/silencer together themselves(it ain't that hard tbh) without involving any paperwork etc. And the other major one--not closing that distance to put it right on his head when it was an easily available option. Standing ~10ft away and racking off 3 shots is amateur hour lol I'll be shocked if he has any history of that kind--other than possibly was in the military but I kinda doubt that too.
