The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

It seems as per the CBC piece that the bigger issue is the amount of folks coming into Canada than attempting to cross into Canada that are than caught by the USA and appear on a terror watch list. I think the number was like 512 to Mexico's 1000 . The other issue is the lack of vetting on Visas

Are you correct that a few drones and helicopters is going to stop the fentanyl of course not. We cant even keep drugs out of our prisons. Until the USA declares the cartels terrorists nothing is going to change .

Thanks for sharing that Montreal watched it last night

I agree the CBC explainer was excellent (they really do fantastic journalism, so thankful we have a national broadcaster like them). But here's my core point. There is not one single factoid in that explainer that justifies or could ever come close to justified economic nuclear war of a 25% across the board tariff. I'm not a particular fan of American-style security state apparatus, but if one wants to make the case that Canada should have some slightly tweaked border policies that inch it in that direction ok fine, sure, whatever, take all the Ws on that debate you want. Nothing about that could ever justify said tariffs.

I don't even think trump thinks so. I think he wants to put tariffs on Canada and Mexico. As he says, he wants to balance the budget (lol) on them. This is an excuse. Is there some glimmers of truth in the excuse? Sure. There are tweaks that could and potentially should be made. But nothing about this justifies the horrors of a 25% tariff. This is the kind of issue that diplomats in barely-covered-it-is-so-boring meets should be addressing.

I’m surprised u think it isn’t bias since it’s from cbc ….

I’ve actually watched other pieces from him and always impressed on how he handles the topic giving you both sides of the argument . I personally find Vassy on CTV to be the best in CDN news and enjoy The Front Bench .

I hate the endless lying from Poilievre and his lackeys. It’s really amazing seeing all the MPs regurgitate the identical lines day in and day out, a homogeneity of party messaging I’ve never seen as militantly unwavering as u can remember.

But it’s a total lie.

He quotes an article that explains the $800 due to a range of factors nothing at all to do with the carbon tax. But he says in the tweet the $800 is due to the carbon tax.

Lozen will whataboutism this post even when it is pointed out he will whataboutism it.

https://x.com/jasrajshallan/status/18647...

We should put 50% tariffs on everything coming into the US because of all the guns/gun parts that come in.

yes

All I know is when the carbon tax increases again next April the cost of living will go up for myself and many of my neighbors . Under Pierre the cost of living will decrease for myself and my neighbors as he eliminates a carbon tax

So I’m good with his misspeak

You realize that every time you’re totally fine with your side egregiously lying, that it makes the hypocrisy even worse when you pretend to care about things Trudeau says that you pretend are lies?

Fair point but yet you seem to OK with all the Trudeau corruption and lies as well

kid just can't help himself can he.

Here's the difference: I've never once on this forum said "I'm good with it" when I think Trudeau has lied. Only you did that. Only for your side. Own it.

I would be hard pressed to find you critical of Trudeau. Your silent when he messes up

Let me ask you this Did Justin Trudeau lie when he said he would bring clean drinking water to everyone in 4 years? I already know your answer It will, be he has made great progress to bringing clean drinking water to the north .

Let me ask you this Do you think Trudeau has failed CDN's by not ordering Canada Postal Workers back to work

Cool whataboutism, but I'll bite. He HAS indeed made genuinely great progress on drinking water for first nations - and what I really appreciate is how transparent the government is with precise lists of every community and the exact status of each project. Did he achieve the maximal goal of his 2015 campaign pledge? No. But I think if you call every campaign progress that makes a tonne of progress but doesn't get to 100% a "lie", then you are left to conclude almost every single campaign pledge by every party is a "lie". It seems like a poor use of the word. Or at the very least, not-quite-perfectly-acheived-campaign-promises are VERY different from what we just saw where a guy just bold faced lies about what the report actually says and pretends the $800 was about the carbon tax when 30 seconds of reading shows it blamed the $800 on all sorts of other factors. That's a direct, measurable, egregious lie.

No, I don't think the federal government should immediately force back to work legislation on strikes.

thats ah kind of politics tho. your the biggest glazer I have ever seen for one political party that is probably doing it at an equal share. you gotta pick one of the "liars" you picked yours that fine. why cant lozen have his.

heres a list of broken/failed promises from the website of the party you should probably be supporting as a green after 11 years of mid liberal rule

Promised affordable housing but the cost of a home has nearly doubled.
Promised clean drinking water but 32 long-term drinking water advisories are still in effect in 28 communities.
Promised that prescription birth control would be covered under national pharmacare. That promise disappeared along with pharmacare.
Promised that every Canadian would have access to a family doctor – 6 million Canadians still don’t. 
Promised to stand up for public health care, then praised Doug Ford’s privatization as innovation.
Promised a $4.5 billion mental health transfer. They now appear to have abandoned that pledge.
Promised to plant 2 billion trees over 10 years. Only 2.3 per cent of the trees have been planted in the first two years.  
Promised to end charity status for anti-abortion groups. More than 90 per cent of crisis pregnancy centers still have charitable status.  
Promised that families would save $1,000 per year on cell phone plans. It’s been two years and families are still waiting.
Promised to make reproductive health care more accessible. Only 1 in 6 hospitals provide abortion and those living in rural areas, especially on reserve, are forced to travel to access the care they need.

now I know I know lozens boy will definitely have a list as long of broken promises too once he kicks your boys butt. but thats just every politician in the history of existence. The main difference is Trudeau had an unprecedented 10+ year reign so maybe he coulda ticked a few of these off.

But ya why should trudeu send the posties back to work. mail is not that essential in 2024. In canada we support strikes

The problem is Justin is inconsistent and order port workers back to work after a week. At this time of year Canada Post is essential and should have been ordered back to work

Canada Post needs to go to once a week mail delivery and expand their parcel service . No one needs daily mail service in todays environment

Different things are different, I don’t see why it would be “inconsistent” to treat very different situations differently. Certainly I can imagine the economic effects of prolonged port closures would be VASTLY more impactful than letter mail delays and some Christmas card being delayed. And parcel service has largely been picked up by the competitors so “this time of year” with lots of parcel service isn’t some massive economic barrier. It isn’t zero economic impact, but way less than port closures.

So to be clear you do not consider broken promises as Lies ?

Though you are bothered my Pierre lying in a tweet to get elected

I’m a bit confused as I consider a broken promise a lie

Depends a bit on their character. If someone pledges action, then acts according to the platform, spends billions, makes tonnes of improvement, lives are way better but it doesn’t achieve the maximal 100% version of the goal is that a “lie”? If progress on a 10 year goal is behind schedule is that a “lie”? Seems silly to say so. If you call that a lie then almost any political slogan ever by any politician of any party is a lie. In contrast, if someone says something clearly and immediately false then it IS useful to label this a lie.

But if we are counting pledges made and implemented, liberals have been fantastic at actually implementing a huge portion of their campaign agenda.

I’m curious what does that mean and what cost you believe u will save on and/or around how much ?

Lozen is probably only exaggerating a bit, just because he lives in BC which is a) doesn't rebate anywhere close to 90% like the federal rebate and b) has income testing so he and I are both rich enough that we are over the threshold and get nothing back.

But that isn't really a critique of the carbon tax, it is a critique of a progressive rebate structure.

The irony , if I’m not mistaken , is that Quebec and bc shouldnt even be affected by polievre tax carbon cut from Trudeau since they already are outside of that federal system .

The BC Premier has said if Pierre axes the tax he will as well. Quebec has a different system

My guess is over 50% of BC residents get no rebate

And how much you expect to get in return ?
Or what items u expect to pay less then today ?

Well your guess is, unsurprisingly, wrong. The current is currently 65% of people who get it. It is set to grow to 80% by 2030 as the price grows.

In some ways I'm supportive of the BC approach because I think our tax system SHOULD be more progressive and so you are killing two birds with one stone. However, the NDP has increasingly dipped into the carbon tax as a source of government funding (where Trudeau never once did this which is very admirable) and I think the federal approach does a better job of maintaining the social contract that this tax-and-rebate scheme is there to incentivize changing our carbon usage, and other programs fund government and deal with income inequality.

Of course this is all academic at this point as we are unfortunately setting into a dark winter in global climate action with Canada and the US set to lead the pack.