In other news
In the current news climate we see that some figures and events tend to dominate the front-pages heavily. Still, there are important, interesting or just plain weird things happening out there and a group of people can find these better than one.
I thought I would test with a thread for linking general news articles about "other news" and discussion. Perhaps it goes into the abyss that is page 2 and beyond, but it is worth a try.
Some guidelines:
- Try to find the "clean link", so that links to the news site directly and not a social media site. Avoid "amp-links" (google).
- Write some cliff notes on what it is about, especially if it is a video.
- It's not an excuse to make outlandish claims via proxy or link extremist content.
- If it's an editorial or opinion piece, it is polite to mark it as such.
- Note the language if it is not in English.
- There is no demand that such things be posted here, if you think a piece merits its own thread, then make one.
If my choice was between living under an oppressive regime that had imprisoned and tortured family members and a new government run by people claiming to be former jihadists... then it's worth seeing if maybe the new government works out. Basically with Assad it's a 100% terrible situation, with the new folks maybe its still awful and maybe its not.
With Assad like in most bloody secular regimes if you keep your head down you can live almost normally (with no political freedoms).
jihadist can be infinitely worse for you if you are gay, a woman, with unconventional tastes in sex, alcohol, food and so on.
ideological crazies are routinely worse than evil rational people to have as leaders
BREAKING NEWS - Jury finds veteran Daniel Penny not guilty in chokehold death of Jordan Neely on a NYC subway. He was the Marine who stepped in to protect a fellow passenger . BLM last week said they will riot in the streets if he's acquitted.
A hero who protected civilians in danger against danger, tortured by the insane democratic party regime using lawfare against normal people
The recent history of the MENA would suggest otherwise. History has shown time and time again, "democracy" without liberal values and a belief in institutions quickly just devolves into dictatorship. You are lucky if you get one real election, and you almost never get more than one.
Empirically, it would appear relatively benevolent monarchies seem to work best in most of the world that doesn't have liberal values to underpin a functional democracy. However, for various reason the odds of endi
you can even have actual real elections re-confirming the "dictator". it's the normal dictatorship of the majority, like when Chavez ruled (he uncontroversially had the support of a majority of voters unlike Maduro).
it's not much about "liberal values" , it's about strict enforced limits to the power of the state.
Turkey never had majoritarian liberal values but as long as the militaries were willing and able to enforce those limits to political power, democracy worked there.
For them to win in like 2 weeks so quickly should hint you that the population in general had enough of Assad and almost nobody opposed them
To defend Assad .
Assad basically had no more internal allied In Syria and once Russia was out -> gg.
I am not sure how to explain to you the situation there. Assad was a dictator hated by most of the people (he represented 10-15% of the country).
That doesn't mean the masses want a normal (for us) country: the masses hating on Assad are bloodthirsty jihadists.
people with vaguely western values all left in the last decade.
With Assad like in most bloody secular regimes if you keep your head down you can live almost normally (with no political freedoms).
jihadist can be infinitely worse for you if you are gay, a woman, with unconventional tastes in sex, alcohol, food and so on.
ideological crazies are routinely worse than evil rational people to have as leaders
There was like 90% of people today living in poverty and the currency lost like 95% or it value in 5 years …
500k death in a decade
Like half the population had to move .
Yeah great life!
Syria was already an hell hole .
U got to the start somewhere .
For a guy that keep crying freedom is more valuable then life itself u got a strange stance about this …
Lawsuit alleges Jay-Z raped a 13-year-old
I am not sure how to explain to you the situation there. Assad was a dictator hated by most of the people (he represented 10-15% of the country).
That doesn't mean the masses want a normal (for us) country: the masses hating on Assad are bloodthirsty jihadists.
people with vaguely western values all left in the last decade.
So 85-90% of the people there are jihadist ?
But I see now , u are for freedom but not for those that think differently of you .
So it’s ok the state uses violence vs those that do not share your values ?
You don’t believe of the majority having freedom to choose how they want to live their life ?
If you are a true libertarian, u should let those that want to live a certain way be happy for them they finally will be able too .
It’s ok luciom , they might be much better then you think, after all they don’t seem to be evil leftish ….
A hero who protected civilians in danger against danger, tortured by the insane democratic party regime using lawfare against normal people
Because they pulled the race card. If the Marine was also black I'm sure they wouldn't have even slapped him with those charges.
BLM now says the "black vigilantes" will start coming after whites.
In the middle East you are either on the side of Iran or the side against Iran. Most agree that the side against iran in this case is the lesser of 2 evils.
it's the lesser of the 2 evil for us (and Israel ofc). not necessarily for the people in Syria.
but we can be honest and accept that we don't care about the people in Syria, we care about us and our allies, and that's fine.
I just dislike outright lies about how this will be very good for syrians.
it's the lesser of the 2 evil for us (and Israel ofc). not necessarily for the people in Syria.
but we can be honest and accept that we don't care about the people in Syria, we care about us and our allies, and that's fine.
I just dislike outright lies about how this will be very good for syrians.
It's not that we don't care about the people of syria, but yes I admit i am more concerned about Israel/US. Im not educated enough on it to know if it will be really bad for the Syrians.
Are you talking about if they enact Shariah law, or something different?
pb, he continued to hold the guy in a chokehold for 3 minutes after he went limp
i'm very much of the f around and threaten to kill other passengers and find out viewpoint of this in that neely acted in self defense and should be cleared of any charges
but... it's undeniable that he either used poor judgement or intended to kill him when he continued the choke hold long after the man lost consciousness
It's not that we don't care about the people of syria, but yes I admit i am more concerned about Israel/US. Im not educated enough on it to know if it will be really bad for the Syrians.
Are you talking about if they enact Shariah law, or something different?
shariah law but in general it won't be a democracy anyway, just a different dictatorship. one that might very well have the support of a majority of people, doesn't mean widespread abuses and violations will stop or decrease vs Assad regime.
might simply mean different people will be the ones abused.
but anyway at least most European countries suspended any right of asylum from Syria.
pb, he continued to hold the guy in a chokehold for 3 minutes after he went limp
i'm very much of the f around and threaten to kill other passengers and find out viewpoint of this in that neely acted in self defense and should be cleared of any charges
but... it's undeniable that he either used poor judgement or intended to kill him when he continued the choke hold long after the man lost consciousness
That's not the finding of the trial nor what witnesses said and so on.
and when defending yourself and others from violence you shouldn't be required to have any regard to the life of the threat in general, morally (no idea about NYS law on the matter: but the trial ended with not guilty and that's all that matters).
if they found him guilty it would have been a mistrial anyway
lol @ the da dropping the 1st charge as a show of "goodwill" to try to influence the jury into compromising and finding guilty on the lesser charge
That's not the finding of the trial nor what witnesses said and so on.
and when defending yourself and others from violence you shouldn't be required to have any regard to the life of the threat in general, morally (no idea about NYS law on the matter: but the trial ended with not guilty and that's all that matters).
in the video numerous people are warning him that he's going to kill him or already has
at one point they realize he's shat himself, indicating that he may have already died, but then they figure it's probably an old pooping
at no point was there an "whoopsies who knew"
he was absolutely irresponsible and reckless - but i would still aquit if i were on the journey because his initial actions were reasonable and whether or not he knowingly or accidentally took it too far is fairly moot once that is established
It's definitely unfortunate, but I don't think his intentions were murder.
I've ridden the NYC subways many times, and on occasion you get a mentally ill person messing with people. If you're between stops, everyone has to fend for themselves so who knows, maybe if there wasn't anyone there to stop him it would of been reversed and the crazy guy would of ended up killing someone.
Lawsuit alleges Jay-Z raped a 13-year-old
Now he's up to 100 problems.
also, in my experience, whenever you have a rando inserting themselves into a situation by initiating a fight with someone who is threatening vaguely to a group and not actually striking or even going after the individual in question it's always been someone who "wanted a fight"
we've all seen it, where someone who likes fighting sees a spot to grab a "get out of jail free" card and have a ready made excuse to commit assault
it wouldn't surprise me at all if this was entirely avoidable
reminds me of when i was at a music festival and someone wasted on ketamine bursts into our gigantic tent (was a 20' x 20' party tent with wall siding)
something like this
we are of course awakened and surprised by this person, but it is immediately clear that A) he had no utter concept of where he was or what he was doing and B) he meant zero threat or harm to any of us
my colleague still beat the crap out of him because he realized he had carte blanche and could get away with it
his gf reported it to the police, they came to the tent and once he learned the guy had burst in during the middle of the night he nodded his head and agreed self defense and justified
Define "avoidable". If you mean "with no intervention by him there was a high chance that no one there would have been hurt severely anyway" ofc I agree.
But which % chance of anyone there getting stabbed or worse would you accept before intervening? I think even the slightest shade of doubt after verbal threats is more than enough to justify intervention in full.
And if only "people who want a fight" are willing to do that, then only "people who want a fight" are actually moral men if of fighting age.
If as a man of fighting age and normal health you don't feel an immense urge to intervene to protect others in those situations you are completely broken imho.
And society should celebrate those that do intervene like the heroes they are especially when psychos like democrats AD can then prosecute you for it.
i wasn't there, video only starts once he's subdued - fact that people are helping him speaks volumes to the general notion of "the homeless man had crossed a line"
but i think many of us who are used to being in homeless meccas like san francisco, dc, or nyc would agree that it's fairly common to deal with vaguely threatening homeless people screaming where nothing comes of it
so while i don't disagree with the action he took to put him in a chokehold, i also believe that in 99.9% of the times he doesn't intervene with the choke, the situation de-escalates naturally and the homeless guy never follows through on his verbal threats
it's more of the "continued to hold him in a choke for at least 3 minutes after the guy had already lost consciousness" that very strongly feels like murder to me
i would acquit on murder charges, but feel like if he were charged for involuntary manslaughter instead of homicide he would have been easily convicted - like there's multiple people telling him to lay off before he kills him whereas others are debating whether or not he's already dead and the guy maintains his choke hold
we've all seen it, where someone who likes fighting sees a spot to grab a "get out of jail free" card and have a ready made excuse to commit assault
I don't think I have seen it. Not really the sort of people I'd be inclined to hang out with and it's never happened by happenstance in some crowded place. So I'm running well there.
you've never witnessed an event where someone is being a bit of an asshat to either a group of people or an individual and some rando who has nothing to do with it comes out of nowhere and clocks him?
you've never witnessed an event where someone is being a bit of an asshat to either a group of people or an individual and some rando who has nothing to do with it comes out of nowhere and clocks him?
No. I have witnessed fights of course but even those are pretty damn rare. To have a specific etiology behind one is asking too much.
