$1/2 odd flop action as PFR w/ marginal hand
$1/2 Monday day game
H BTN ~$225 MAWG. Aggro compared to standard ABC table.
V1 EP ~$100 60ish WG reg. ABC kind of player but not nit.
V2 MP ~$300 late 30’s Indian guy. Does not appear to be an experienced player. I assume really bad and sticky based on limited info.
OTTH
V1 limps, V2 limps, H goes $11 w/ K9cc. I have position and a reasonable hand. Perfectly happy to play poker post flop here. V1 & V2 both call.
Flop ($32)
Kh7c5h
X, X, H goes $20, V1 cr/ai for $83 total, V2 tank calls. V1 can have nutted hands (small sets, combo draws) and things like NFD, KQ, etc.
TBH H was very possibly folding to V1’s shove. However I feel like I’m way ahead of V2 and he may have just committed himself. Fold, call and shove all have some merit. Line check and flop action advice appreciated.
H?
12 Replies
def folding ainec.
He's ABC and he jammed, and another guy called. An early l/c can be a much bigger king, especially in a passive 1/2 game.
as played, you have the easiest fold in the world that'll sometimes make you feel foolish when you see both players are on draws or something weird like pocket tens
but the real answer is fold pre or just limp along
your raise to $11 accomplishes nothing except helps you lose $31 here instead of $7
you have a hand that is unlikely to feel comfortable in a big pot even when you have top pair, so why are we inflating the pot knowing everyone is calling?
your hand plays much better on rivers where your gut shot or flush draw could have come to completion, not on flops where you almost never have a made hand and will need to fold to strong resistance even on boards like this which presumably are good for you
They don't limp just to fold to a small raise. If you're going to raise, it has to be bigger if we want to get heads up.
They don't call the raise just to fold to a single flop c-bet. We need to be careful not to over play a weak top pair. We can't necessarily count on them check-calling on every street with a worse hand.
I'd mostly just limp along pre, and check back flop, with plans to bet turn if action checks to us again.
As played, I'm just folding flop, unless we have some backup equity with a front door draw. The backdoor draws here just aren't enough to continue.
Agree with all the above. You can overlimp this modest hand on the button - folding might be a bit weak but can't be terrible - if you do raise then make it a touch larger (12-15), all you've done is pot sweeten with a weak King-high.
Cbet is OK with top pair (probably go smaller with your weak top pair multiway), now fold - the call from V2 is more concerning than you think, think of the action he's facing before calling, he's got to like his hand a lot.
You only have $100 left to play against V2 plus the risk you are already way behind.
I'd be shocked if V1 didn't have K10 as a minimum.
in some cases both plays may have draws. V2 could easily have a 7 with flush draw.
i would fold or raise bigger pre flop. i'd consider checking flop as played.
What is your normal raise size pre? Do ou iso this size with your good hands like AA too? I don't like your raise size ay all tbh. Your hand in particular I don't know that I would raise at all because you are going to get called a lot by KQo, KJo, AJo type hands. ButbifbI was raising I would go bigger. If I had KTs i probably still iso so it is close.
As played fold flop. A call is basically committing. You have a high likelihood of being dominated vs one player and the bluffs have a lot of equity.
I don't like going so big on the flop. It would be reasonable to check this back multiway to be honest, your kicker is bad, but you have a lot of back door potential. If you still have top pair on the turn, you have an easy call vs most sizes.
I would fold pretty quickly. Playing for a side pot with V2 hoping to break even overall seems like a punt, and V1 often has us beat.
Results: H is a fish. H figures V1’s l/rr is more likely a draw looking for some FE than a made hand. Made hand likely bets this wet board for protection. And V2 could have any piece of cheese here. So H jams over the top. V2 tank folds. Turn 6c river 5s I turn over hand and V1 mucks.
Results: H is a fish. H figures V1’s l/rr is more likely a draw looking for some FE than a made hand. Made hand likely bets this wet board for protection. And V2 could have any piece of cheese here. So H jams over the top. V2 tank folds. Turn 6c river 5s I turn over hand and V1 mucks.
Seems logical for a better hand to check to the raiser and then crai. I think you got lucky here tbh.
Results: H is a fish. H figures V1’s l/rr is more likely a draw looking for some FE than a made hand. Made hand likely bets this wet board for protection. And V2 could have any piece of cheese here. So H jams over the top. V2 tank folds. Turn 6c river 5s I turn over hand and V1 mucks.
So your read V2 was sticky which all the responders took as a valid read was incorrect.
I like the iso, but would go $15 minimum over two limpers.
When there is a short stack in the mix, I try to only cbet hands that I am comfortable getting all-in, so I would probably check back this hand and cbet KJ+ and some big draws.
As played, I see your reasoning for jamming, and have probably made the same play a few times, but agree with others that it's gotta be a fold if we are playing well.
