Any advice for shortstack strategy?
Hi all,
I've found an unbelievably juicy $5/$10/$25 Omaha game. I played it last weekend and did well. However sitting do
This could be a fun threadjack. Define 'normal'. Having gone through umpteen downswings in my poker career, in a sense, every single one of them has been different in some way, how long it lasts, how much it's about me playing bad and how much just running bad, etc, but really, for me, every downswing is the same, just with different intensity and duration.
The problem is there are so many friggin idiots playing poker it's hard to have any fold equity when u short stack. And I mean idiots when I say idiots. Like I swear they all took stupid pills.
The problem is there are so many friggin idiots playing poker it's hard to have any fold equity when u short stack. And I mean idiots when I say idiots. Like I swear they all took stupid pills.
Welcome to PLO my dude. Just get the money in ahead and ride out the variance. See above for some short stack strategy you can utilize. Absolutely, you have no fold equity, and you need to calibrate your ranges accordingly.
Welcome to PLO my dude. Just get the money in ahead and ride out the variance. See above for some short stack strategy you can utilize. Absolutely, you have no fold equity, and you need to calibrate your ranges accordingly.
Problem is it don't matter. If any fish will not fold u can't be a big favorite most time. So what are u winning? Better to buy in deep maybe and punish the idiots. Nothing better then taking some fishes soul on turn or river with a massive bet after they called a raise on flop and put half their stack in and now they cant call river bet. I don't know. I hate fish
Problem is it don't matter. If any fish will not fold u can't be a big favorite most time. So what are u winning? Better to buy in deep maybe and punish the idiots. Nothing better then taking some fishes soul on turn or river with a massive bet after they called a raise on flop and put half their stack in and now they cant call river bet. I don't know. I hate fish
As above - play tight, get your money in with dominating draws and an equity edge. Beyond that it's just a matter of volume.
Fish make the game profitable and fun. It's much harder to make money in this game against a table full of regs.
You can certainly buy in deep, but that will of course involve a different strategy than that detailed earlier in the thread.
Fourth major pot I call on the button vs MP with KQJ9hh (in hindsight, I should have 3bet). The board came JhTs4d and it's 3-ways. I have to call one $200 bet and see the turn (stacks were too deep to get it on the flop - obviously I would have with shorter stacks). Turn is a blank and she pots it to $800, I have to let it go. $200 up after this hand.Fifth major pot lost 100 po
Hand 4 is interesting in respect of your stack depth. Are you around 120bb here? If you 3bet preflop, it would be straightforward on the flop (where you can c-bet/call or c-bet xb turn). I'm not sure it's always a 3bet on the BN (depends maybe on how snug MP is as well as the type of players in the blinds).
Hands 5 & 6 are what live PLO is often like in my experience. Being short in these games still seems advantageous, where you 5bet preflop for example and all others overcall. I wonder, though, if back-rasing is the play in hand 6? Maybe if you 3bet rather than call IP, the pot won't end up 6-way, although it's hard to say without more information on effective stacks.
Hand 4 is interesting in respect of your stack depth. Are you around 120bb here? If you 3bet preflop, it would be straightforward on the flop (where you can c-bet/call or c-bet xb turn). I'm not sure it's always a 3bet on the BN (depends maybe on how snug MP is as well as the type of players in the blinds).Hands 5 & 6 are what live PLO is often like in my experience. Being shor
Yes, around 120bb in hand 4 - would have certainly been much simpler to play this hand with a lower SPR and heads-up, in position with a range advantage. That said, it's clear that she really liked her hand, so - assuming I didn't hit the river - I would have likely got stacked (although of course that's irrelevant regarding whether or not I should 3bet preflop). It's just not a hand that plays that well multiway.
In hand 6 I didn't feel my hand was good enough to 3bet, but given the opportunity to 5bet I was happy to do so, wanting to thin the field etc and simply rely on the equity of the aces and one nut suit. It's certainly possible the pot doesn't end up 6-ways if I instead 3bet - but as mentioned, I didn't feel my hand was quite good enough to go with as a 3bet. The other stacks were very deep.
In hand 6 I didn't feel my hand was good enough to 3bet, but given the opportunity to 5bet I was happy to do so, wanting to thin the field etc and simply rely on the equity of the aces and one nut suit. It's certainly possible the pot doesn't end up 6-ways if I instead 3bet - but as mentioned, I didn't feel my hand was quite good enough to go with as a 3bet. The other stacks we
If the others players are deep then they're more incentivised to overcall a short-stack 5bet preflop, although it's likely still minus EV. I see what you mean about not 3betting this category of AAxx. In the end your play was still +EV, so long as you're ok with the variance (being AI with 24% is high variance for most).
I have PDF copies of the Slotboom books only for the SS strat. As an NLHE player I could never learn the nuance of PLO trying to rely on capped ranges and waiting for opponents to monkeystab 3rd pair when I check. SS was the only thing that gave me any breadth of play. I just dont like getting it in with the nuts/freeroll deep and failing to scoop. Yet I was perfectly happy firing 10 bullets SS'ing PLO taking my flips like a man. I've fed the PLO pool many times trying to get back into it and SS is the only thing that gives me any shot at all while keeping my enjoyment.
If the others players are deep then they're more incentivised to overcall a short-stack 5bet preflop, although it's likely still minus EV. I see what you mean about not 3betting this category of AAxx. In the end your play was still +EV, so long as you're ok with the variance (being AI with 24% is high variance for most).
For sure, totally okay with the variance - I think one has to be when short stacking. It's a profitable setup for me to get it in like this, the rest is up to the gods.
I have PDF copies of the Slotboom books only for the SS strat. As an NLHE player I could never learn the nuance of PLO trying to rely on capped ranges and waiting for opponents to monkeystab 3rd pair when I check. SS was the only thing that gave me any breadth of play. I just dont like getting it in with the nuts/freeroll deep and failing to scoop. Yet I was perfectly happy fir
Yes I read that book years ago too, it's an interesting one (if obviously not aligned with any semblance of modern PLO theory). I also love deepstack PLO, but this game is too rich for my current roll, so I'm short stacking for now. In the future I'd certainly buy in deep though, as it's clearly a hugely profitable game for any half-decent player.
Yes I read that book years ago too, it's an interesting one (if obviously not aligned with any semblance of modern PLO theory). I also love deepstack PLO, but this game is too rich for my current roll, so I'm short stacking for now. In the future I'd certainly buy in deep though, as it's clearly a hugely profitable game for any half-decent player.
The thing is I dont hit n run. So I'll start off short, punt 5 or 6 times before winning a 5way allin and then I'll try to adjust to more normal play. Then if I still get stacked while full it doesnt sting as much because I rationalize it as "I was only in for the min" and just start over. Sometimes I'll actually make it to a deepstack and just play a lot more confidently still reminding myself I came in for the min and have another 10 bullets to fire if necessary.
The only reason he would advocate that is his mistaken theory that you gain an advantage by being the shortest or biggest stack at the table. If you just yeet that out of your strat then yeah you spin up a short stack into a big one and play deep stack poker and try and turn it into a giant one. That's kinda the appeal of live poker. Bring 20 buyins, expect to lose ~10 of them ~1/2 of the time and expect to spin it into 40 or 50 buyins ~ the other half.
