UnitedHealth CEO Assassinated
The murder of UnitedHealthcare's CEO is a strange story. On the one hand, the killer obviously was taking steps to avoid getting caught. He was wearing a hoodie. He used a silencer. He clearly had an escape plan.
On the other hand, he was wearing a distinctive backpack. He may have left a food wrapper and a water bottle at the scene. And there was writing on each of the three shell casings (the words "deny," "defend," and "depose").
At a minimum, his new avatar and his assertion that NATO is the ideological successor to the Third Reich suggest that he is primarily interested in trolling, at least for the moment.
he's not trolling
there are thousands of people that believe exactly that, and by exactly that, I mean your uncharitable interpretations of the stuff Victor says
Despite Vic and I being of similar ideologies, I disagree with him on plenty and I personally don't care about NATO either way. I WOULD like us to stop sending infinite money to the slightly less evil side (say what you will, it's a stone fact that Ukraine is heavily Nazified; Putin's invasion was still horrible, and he's a revolting autocrat, but I'm so goddamn sick of playing World Police) of a war (in which "our" side is losing), all over some strip of land in Eastern Ukraine.
Shooting him in the legs would have had an equal impact on the public and insurance companies.. He probably knew his chances of escape was tiny (and that he was ruining his life). He wasn't as mentally ill as the two guys who tried to kill Trump or your average suicide bomber and his mental state might have been caused by severe chronic pain. But there is little doubt that abnormal mental states is a much greater explanation for these types of killings than some political ideology that on the su
I doubt you're arguing that in some hypothetical apolitical world he would have chosen shooting up a liquor store as his outlet.
At a minimum, his new avatar and his assertion that NATO is the ideological successor to the Third Reich suggest that he is primarily interested in trolling, at least for the moment.
you might want to look up some of the people who made up much of the early NATO officer class. and the West Germany leadership.
Your posts are basically the equivalent of pulling your pants down, taking a piss on the carpet, and then telling yourself you nailed it. If I were to come across somebody that were to do that in a courtroom, I'd just say "I rest my case" and sit down. I don't really need to go point by point and explain why your constant strawmans, non-sequiters, made up nonsense, and random insults are not worth arguing against, as you and everybody else here is already well familiar with your schtick.
lol, you're the one who started with the needless personal attacks here, buddy. I rather calmly pointed out that Marxism is not best summed up as "I don't want to work... and you should be forced to work so I don't have to," and in fact his most memorable quotation says precisely the opposite of what you claim. Your contention that he never worked a day in his life is also plainly untrue.
I mean, there's plenty of reasonable ways to criticize Marxism, but you immediately turn to lies, silly hyperbole, and then personal attacks when you get challenged. It's rather embarrassing to watch.
Shooting him in the legs would have had an equal impact on the public and insurance companies.. He probably knew his chances of escape was tiny (and that he was ruining his life). He wasn't as mentally ill as the two guys who tried to kill Trump or your average suicide bomber and his mental state might have been caused by severe chronic pain. But there is little doubt that abnormal mental states is a much greater explanation for these types of killings than some political ideology that on the su
No.
just, no
everything you say is factually wrong and/or hopelessly devoid of relevant context
One of these days you STEMlords may realize you can't derive the entirety of the universe's truths from first principles. Until then, all behold David, King of Logic.
lol, you're the one who started with the needless personal attacks here, buddy. I rather calmly pointed out that Marxism is not best summed up as "I don't want to work... and you should be forced to work so I don't have to," and in fact his most memorable quotation says precisely the opposite of what you claim. Your contention that he never worked a day in his life is also plainly untrue.
I mean, there's plenty of reasonable ways to criticize Marxism, but you immediately turn to lies, silly hyp
Yeah, and all you did was, like you said, quote Marx' arguably most memorable line, fairly dispassionately being like "what he wrote here doesn't match your claim", whereupon he spazzed out on you, going on about pissing one's pants and, I assume, actively constructing future strawmen on behalf of his contention that other people are strawmanning him...
A person that refused to do an honest day of work in his life, yet felt entitled to live the high life off of other people's work and wealth. The ultimate schnorrer.
Come now - there's really no need to be so down on you and your fellow state employees paid to imprison the poor.
you might want to look up some of the people who made up much of the early NATO officer class. and the West Germany leadership.
If you want to make the case that NATO is the ideological successor to the Third Reich, then you are going to need to do more than simply assert that West Germany eventually joined NATO in 1955. For example, you could explain how you believe NATO continued to pursue the objectives of the Third Reich.
he's not trolling
there are thousands of people that believe exactly that, and by exactly that, I mean your uncharitable interpretations of the stuff Victor says
Not sure how my interpretation was uncharitable. Victor's most recent post seems to confirm that my interpretation of his comment was spot on.
I wouldnt say NATO is the successor to the Nazis. its more that the Nazis were just an extension or offshoot of the White Empire that expanded from Europe to overrun and enslave the Americas, Australia, much of China, and much of Africa. their problem was that they turned their expansionist, racist ideals towards Europeans rather than the indigenous.
its clear that the West and NATO werent that mad at them as they were pretty much just absorbed into the West in the following years.
For example, you could explain how you believe NATO continued to pursue the objectives of the Third Reich.
you mean by like...doing a genocide?
Again, you can't just say "the West perpetrated a genocide. QED." Even if people accept the premise, it doesn't prove the point. Do you also believe that the Hutus in Rwanda were ideological successors to the Third Reich? Do you believe that the Somali government under Siad Barre was an ideological successor to the Third Reich?
You are talking to the guy that immediately praised Hamas on the very day that they parachuted in and murdered almost 1200 people at a music festival. Even Trolly thought he was so out of line that he should have been banned. It isn't that hard to imagine that the same poster is publicly celebrating murder again.
I understand the geopolitical reality that when a more powerful nation oppresses and brutalizes a weaker (militaristically) population for decades on end, they will inevitably face atrocities committed by those whom they oppress. Also, I thought then and think now that it was neat that they improvised and used old technology like a hangglider to commit said atrocity. Israel's atrocities are done with tanks, bombs, drones, the full might of the US MIC, and they got owned by hanggliders.
Throw me a bone and appreciate that I continue to call 10/7 an "atrocity". In a vacuum, 10/7 was an awful, murderous event. In the real world, however, Israel murders exponentially more innocents than Hamas, and oppresses far more civilians, so while I don't LIKE or SUPPORT Hamas overall, I do support them ONLY IN RELATION TO THE IDF.
Let me know if the aforementioned subtleties are enough for you to stop making the claim that I'm "publicly celebrating murder", or if you're still too mired within your childlike dichotomy of GOOD V EVIL to understand.
Edit: I also like how you said, "even Trolly", like Trolly is some fire-breathing radical instead of a normal left liberal
Edit 2: I didn't get banned for it, despite your crying -- maybe a bit of self-reflection into how my alleged outpouring of love for Hamas didn't merit a ban from the mods is in order? Nah, just kidding, you're doing great.
Again, you can't just say "the West perpetrated a genocide. QED." Even if people accept the premise, it doesn't prove the point. Do you also believe that the Hutus in Rwanda were ideological successors to the Third Reich? Do you believe that the Somali government under Siad Barre was an ideological successor to the Third Reich?
you might have missed this part
I wouldnt say NATO is the successor to the Nazis. its more that the Nazis were just an extension or offshoot of the White Empire that expanded from Europe to overrun and enslave the Americas, Australia, much of China, and much of Africa.
blowing up the pagers was 99999x cooler. objectively speaking
Karl Pilkington wouldn't punch down like that :(
The Empire has all sorts of sick and based and fire ways to murder people. To me, the cool factor drops exponentially when you consider its absolutely monstrous advantage in wealth and technology. You're sitting here talking about how the Death Star is objectively so much cooler than the little monkey guys who owned the Stormtroopers with slings and ****. No. How can it be cool to root for the overwhelming favorite?
death star was objectively cooler than the ewoks, who were lame
I was responding to Diebitter's comment about how this is like a TV show where the UHC assassin was The Punisher. My point was that even an unhinged psychopath like The Punisher was written to be more sane about this issue than certain people in this thread.
As for "every other developed nation blah blah blah", I'm fairly certain that those countries are not approving 100% of treatments or procedures either.
Even if a country had 100% socialized medicine, in that case the government steps into t
At least in Germany this isn’t quite how insurance works and I would guess probably not anywhere with a similar system. What is covered by insurance is legally mandated so there’s no debate after your doctor has ordered some treatment for you. You never deal with insurance normally. I suppose there is auditing and crazy unnecessary things get caught at some point but the normal experience of a patient is go to the doctor, give them your insurance card and get treatment, the end.
Not everything is covered by insurance but you would know this before accepting treatment not after. You can get private insurance that covers more, supplemental insurance, pay out of pocket, or try to get your regular insurance to pay for something not normally covered but the need for this is rare (excluding dental care, unfortunately).
Maybe the Marxism stuff should go in a different thread?
At least in Germany this isn’t quite how insurance works and I would guess probably not anywhere with a similar system. What is covered by insurance is legally mandated so there’s no debate after your doctor has ordered some treatment for you. You never deal with insurance normally. I suppose there is auditing and crazy unnecessary things get caught at some point but the normal experience of a patient is go to the doctor, give them your insurance card and get treatment, the end.
Not everything i
I'm (obviously) not familiar with the German medical system, but I have to imagine that there are some limitations built into the system to prevent things from going out of control. Perhaps doctors know to only prescribe treatment within the limitations of what is allowed? Would it be an option under that system for a doctor to prescribe an experimental treatment that has not been proven to work?
Yeah, they’re saying she needed to specifically call crime stoppers for the 10k and she called 911. For the 50k from fbi there is some other step that has to happen that hasn’t, like a nomination or something. Maybe they’ll change their minds if people are mad about it.
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Awesome stuff here!
I'm (obviously) not familiar with the German medical system, but I have to imagine that there are some limitations built into the system to prevent things from going out of control. Perhaps doctors know to only prescribe treatment within the limitations of what is allowed? Would it be an option under that system for a doctor to prescribe an experimental treatment that has not been proven to work?
Sorry, I thought I had made that clear. I was just trying to point out that you’d virtually never be in a scenario where insurance/government overrides a doctor after the fact because that’s not how the system functions.
You are informed by the doctor prior to a treatment if it isn’t covered (they know what public insurance covers) but that would only happen rarely outside of elective things. The doctor could recommend a treatment that insurance doesn’t cover but they’d tell you that up front.
Why was that specific victory a validation of a government/economic system, but others are not?
We're going to be dropped into France dressed as civilians. And once we're in enemy territory, as a bushwhacking gorilla army, we're going to be doing one thing and one thing only: killing Nazis.
Now, I don't know about you all, but I as sure as hell didn't come down from the goddamn Smoky mountains and cross 5000 miles of water and file my way through half of Sicily to jump out of an airplane to teach the Nazis lessons in humanity. Nazis aint got no humanity. They're the foot soldiers of a Jew-hating mass murdering maniac. And they need to be destroyed. And that's why each and every son of a bitch wearin a Nazi uniform, they're going to die. Now I'm the direct descendent of the mountain man Jim Bridges, means I got a little engine in me.
And our battle plan will be that of an Apache resistance. We will be cruel to the Germans, and through our cruelty they will know who we are. And they will find evidence of our cruelty in the disembowled, dismembered, disfigured bodies of their brothers that we leave behind us. The German wont be able to help themself but imagine the cruelty their brothers endured at our hands, and our boot heels, and the edge of our knives. And the German will be sickened by us. And the German will talk about us. And the German will fear us. When the German closes their eyes at night and are tortured by their subconscious with the evil they have done, it will be with thoughts of us they are tortured with.
Sound good? (Yes Sir). That's what I like to hear. But I got a word of warning for all you would-be soldiers. If you join my army you take on debit. A debit you own me, personally. Each and every man under my command owes me 100 Nazi scalps. And I want my scalps. And all you all will get me 100 Nazi scalps. Taken from the heads of 100 dead Nazis. Or you will die trying.
No.
just, no
everything you say is factually wrong and/or hopelessly devoid of relevant context
One of these days you STEMlords may realize you can't derive the entirety of the universe's truths from first principles. Until then, all behold David, King of Logic.
I think Luciom would agree with you.
Shooting him in the legs would have had an equal impact on the public and insurance companies.. He probably knew his chances of escape was tiny (and that he was ruining his life). He wasn't as mentally ill as the two guys who tried to kill Trump or your average suicide bomber and his mental state might have been caused by severe chronic pain. But there is little doubt that abnormal mental states is a much greater explanation for these types of killings than some political ideology that on the su
I dont think it's gets the same level of publicty and public 'interest'
On the other hand it's awkward to focus on the evils of health insurance when someone has been murdered
