Idk if punt or good bluff??
Only realized after 3b that villain is kinda tight so in retrospect wouldve flatted. After turn went xx I realized villain either on a draw or underpair, certainly a Q betting there. Ive noticed many players at this stake overfold to large bets on scary rivers after checking, so that's the rationale for that move.
In general is this hand sound or not? Would love thoughts on flop and river play especially, thanks a ton!
PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BTN: 97 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
SB: 40.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (BB): 131 BB
UTG: 174.5 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 34)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ J♥
UTG calls 1 BB, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9.5 BB, fold, CO calls 7 BB
Flop: (20.5 BB, 2 players) 4♣ 3♥ Q♦
Hero bets 6.5 BB, CO calls 6.5 BB
Turn: (33.5 BB, 2 players) T♣
Hero checks, CO checks
River: (33.5 BB, 2 players) Q♥
Hero bets 23.5 BB, CO calls 23.5 BB
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I think you have kind of bad cards to be bluffing river with because you block the flushdraw with Ac and also straight draws
34 hands are too small a sample to make any conclusions about the opponent's tendencies.
3bet bigger preflop like 12-13bb.
This flop is good for your range, so a small bet with a wide range looks okay.
Check on the turn is not a mistake, but you can also continue on the turn with a small size with a plan to push the river.
We need to choose a line based on the opponent's tendencies, which we don't know, so checking looks quite default in this situation.
Yes, we block some FDs and straight draw, but we also block AQs, QJs and can force folds of many hands that beat us - JJ, 99-77, ATs, KTs, JTs, some AKs.
That's why I like your bluffing on the river. But I would increase your sizing to something like 75%-100%.
I think you have kind of bad cards to be bluffing river with because you block the flushdraw with Ac and also straight draws
I dont think blockers really matter here (we also block some value too like AQ, QJ). Villain's range will probably be underprotected here, and maybe we can make a T or a weak pocket pair fold. I think this is fine as played.
Yes makes sense.
What is this sizing based on? I had always read 4x OOP and 3x IP 3bet sizing were good but recently I'm seeing larger sizing OOP so am curious to know. But at micros don't players generally under call vs 3bet so isn't a smaller size with linear range ok?
Yes makes sense.
What is this sizing based on? I had always read 4x OOP and 3x IP 3bet sizing were good but recently I'm seeing larger sizing OOP so am curious to know. But at micros don't players generally under call vs 3bet so isn't a smaller size with linear range ok?
I think in theory you're supposed to 3b polarized from bb, and if they undercall (which is a big if, in my experience a lot of people in my games overcall vs 3b), wouldnt we want even more bluffs in our polarized range?
Yes makes sense.
What is this sizing based on? I had always read 4x OOP and 3x IP 3bet sizing were good but recently I'm seeing larger sizing OOP so am curious to know. But at micros don't players generally under call vs 3bet so isn't a smaller size with linear range ok?
It's all about Pot Odds. On top of that, there's another 1bb in the pot from the limp on UTG, which makes a call for CO even more profitable.
4x OOP is a classic sizing from the old days when everyone opened 3bb from all positions. It doesn't work so well when the opponent makes an open raise with a smaller sizing.
Try to calculate how Pot Odds change when the opponent opens with different sizing (2bb, 2.5bb, 3bb), and you always make 4x 3Bet.
It’s fine but I’d cbet the turn instead.
Pre is a bit loose though for a 3bet.
Preflop is interesting, I think 2.5 bb iso is often a sizing tell of weakness => we can 3b more often, on the other hand UTG is a rec so calling gets us playing pots against him which is always a +.
OTT I think I'd always barrel this hand. It blocks calls with Ac and makes a nice bluff on flush runouts, has a gs and an overcard, blocks QJs and AQs and it probably gets some overfolds in real games.
It's all about Pot Odds. On top of that, there's another 1bb in the pot from the limp on UTG, which makes a call for CO even more profitable.
4x OOP is a classic sizing from the old days when everyone opened 3bb from all positions. It doesn't work so well when the opponent makes an open raise with a smaller sizing.
Try to calculate how Pot Odds change when the opponent opens with different sizing (2bb, 2.5bb, 3bb), and you always make 4x 3Bet.
Is the aim to give people the same odds to call?
Just excluding the limp from the equation, what are we trying to do with the raise size? Is it relative to the perceived open range equity they have?
I would think it's likely just their standard open size and they didn't notice the limp (or know how to deal with one) rather than an intentionally smaller iso? Although I guess that is a sign of weakness but not necessarily a weaker range?
I would think it's likely just their standard open size and they didn't notice the limp (or know how to deal with one) rather than an intentionally smaller iso? Although I guess that is a sign of weakness but not necessarily a weaker range?
That's possible as well.
I think you're getting called way too much because this is how so many people play air hands.
Not sure about optimal play on flop, but based on very limited stats he is a TAG that is flatting all AQ pre and 4 betting KK, AK, and some AA. I think he folds a lot of mid pocket pairs pre also. So I think you are running into trips and boats here most of the time. Maybe sometimes he has AK and that is the only hand you are gaining here, I hardly think he has 88.
I seriously doubt he floated the flop hoping to bluff you on scarry runouts so I think overall this is burning money.
