67s makes a withdrawal from ATM

I'm fine with preflop.

SPR is a massive 18 and two pair (even top two pair, especially when there ain't any other reasonable two pair) is never a monster that I want to play for stacks with (especially so multiway). So even with his chips in hand, I would probably just bet myself and then evaluate if he raises. Yeah, there are draws, but a check/raise starts building a massive pot and working towards stacks (which I don't want to do).

Also checking this poor turn card.

Against a passive player I probably bet smallish on the river to target missed straight draws that hit a pair, like probably no more than $100, and fold if raised.

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Grunch:

PRE - I'd 3B pre. That $10 open is BS, and 76s doesn't play all that well multi-way against a table full of loose passive fish. Make it $50 when we're all deep and no one is punishing us with 4B's.

FLOP - Good looking out for those live tells. But if we're going to x/r, we should go absolutely HUGE, especially when we're deep and V has us covered by a ton, and he's not VPIP'ing nearly as much as usual. I'd probably make it $235, if not $250.

TURN - Flush card sucks for us. I'd bet it anyway, but I'd bet small, like we turned the flush, and are just milking V for value, meanwhile praying to boat up on the river. Bet around 1/2 pot, and turbo-muck if he raises.

RIVER - Gotta bet small again, like 1/2 to 2/3 pot. Nothing else to do, unless we want to just surrender and let him take it.

I like 3bet pre and try to outplay in position post much better than call. As played I think call flop instead of check raise and try to look for more live reads. They are never folding a draw and might show exactly where they are at with turn sizing/turn checking. Yeah and then if you check raise flop you are folding to a big river bet here.

Yeah, I would probably fold, but 3! is fine. I don't think this hand is profitable calling in a 5-way pot.

i doubt pre is profitable in CO, id just fold this RIO hand. calling OTB is probably neutral. if you're going to play it 3b is much better. id just fold though.

suited connectors suck in NL unless you have initiative, FE, and get can get it HU. thats a big parlay in 1/3 games. your main profit from these hands (if there is any) comes from bluffing.

flop fine

turn check is good. if he bet big on the turn i probably just fold.

fire the river very small like 1/4 pot to try and get value from something like 88.

I think this is something I really need to understand and incorporate more. SPR to the flop and understanding the depth/commitment interplay.

Result:

I think I really need to start dumping SCs and S1Gs from my game but they're so enticing and people play so badly post flop. I don't really understand their value I guess in some ways. I always thought they were better MW than HU because of IO and the fact they can make huge hands when they hit.

As others have mentioned, it can be a RIO hand multiway (which is why some are completely fine just dumping it preflop). With decent position and against opponents who likely suck more than I do, I'm ok with seeing a cheap flop. But in high SPR situations (where we offered massive IO to lottsa opponents if we're just going to hurp durp in stacks postflop), I play extremely cautiously / appropriate sized pots with marginal hands (which two pear is).

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They play better HU, so even though it may be uncomfortable to 3B with them, we need to be willing to 3B with them. We don't hate making a 7-high flush heads up in a 3B pot. We kind of hate making a 7-high flush in a multi-way SRP.

When looking at these turn and river decisions, consider how we play monotone flops. It's hard to flop a flush, so we should bet our TP+ for value, even if it's thin. Betting our 2P on the turn and river, even for a small size, is generally going to be higher EV than checking.

The bonus implied odds come when we make a sneaky but very strong hand. Bonus win rate comes from making trivial folds when we whiff and have no showdown value.

I live for flopping nut straights, trips, or top 2 with S1G's on middling boards. Nothing crushes an opponent's soul quite as flat as cracking a big PP with T8s.

The other thing about 3-betting 76s is you can bluff and give up easily if needed with 7-high. You also have draws to semibluff with, representing AA or whatever. Then you occasionally hit and it is impossible to read.

However, I prefer folding them usually. Calling in CO isn't that bad though, because of position.

i think you can bet 10% otr - i think theres an ok amount of value vs one pair or i guess lower 2 pair that its conceivable he can have given description, it helps you get to showdown easier, and he should be super polar if he raises vs this.

I don't see the point of betting 10%. If you are going for value, why not bet 30-60%? Then you get a lot more value and are less likely to get bluff raised.

What's YOUR strategy here. How much risk do you want? Are you ok losing $900? Are you trying to get your stack in. You're not playing with OUR money so what we would do doesn't matter. What's your strategy?

too big for your hand, block a bunch of his calls too. if u think hes likely to bluff raise if u bet smaller than u should bet smaller

Is that 10% bet size something theory likes? I thought solvers rarely if ever bet the river for a small size.

My thinking in recommending a larger 1/2p to 2/3p bet when we're going for thin value is that if we go small it could induce a raise, and our hand isn't strong enough to want to call, whereas it is strong enough to bet after the turn checks through, and hopefully get called by over pairs to the board.

I doubt a fish is going to call the flop x/r, check back the flop, and then decide to turn a worse value hand into a bluff when we bet small, but a thinking player is likely to see through OP's line, decide OP is weak and betting too thin with a hand that will fold, and put in a big raise, especially when holding the Ad.

Thing is, at least where I play, if a guy opens 15 and you call with 67s in position and the runout comes 6-6-8-9-5 front door flush..and they have AA...you are getting their whole stack. They did not drive an hour on busy highways to fold Aces.

You realize that one can flop trips with ATC? 😁

It's not a reason to call with 7-high.

So first off, this:

Yeah, maybe they call with AA, if they're terrible, and can't see that any 7 makes a straight there.

The problem happens when a guy opens for $15, we flat with 76s, and then we try to rep all sorts of hands we'll never have when we didn't raise pre.

Or we get pot-stuck when we flop just enough of a piece to continue calling when V c-bets and barrels off. And we can't raise, because WTF would we be repping when the board is A7542 two-tone, and we're sitting there with middle pair and two draws that bricked out?

I'd be nice to have AA, 77, 55, 44, A5, A4, 87s, 86s, 76s, 65s, and 54s in our range there, which we can have, if we're willing to 3B most or all of those hands pre. If not, then...I guess we're stuck with four nut combos of 86s, and then just a bunch of other $hlt that's too good to fold, but not strong enough to raise.

What bare Ad hand do u think he over calls preflop with, b/c the flop 5 ways and checks back the turn instead of bluffing?

i dont understand the paranoia of getting bluff raised. call sometimes, tbh u can probably overcall people end up overbluffing vs 10% ime and his line would be suspicious to me

10% gets used some of the time oop. its not exactly a comparable sim but co open vs btn call 100bb it will use the 10% otr and block with overpairs (hands that dont block the 7/6 i think)

1This is a hand in which in every fork multiple lines make sense. There are upsides and downsides with everyone of them though.

I don't think that flatting with 67s is -EV, but that's mostly because people don't 3bet enough, so you are bound to see a flop and realize your equity in good position. I don't think it's massive EV+ either though.It's probably a very weakly profitable hand.

3betting is enticing in order to play HU, but vs a proper EP raise, baby SCs aren't 3bets so they should be mucked pre. Now, according to hero, EP villain is raising garbage from EP. 3betting isn't great though because given population tendencies, villain's likely to call; needless to say a good deal of our equity when 3bet bluffing is from getting folds. Still, 3betting 67s in this spot might be profitable given that we are deep, IP and vs a trashy range is EP calls. Then again, given how pop plays sometimes donkeys still call, so you go 4 ways into a flop with a bad hand, so FML.

All in all, no option is bad, so you can mix between all three or between calling and 3betting.

I think the flop raise is fine and also the most clearcut decision. Yes, we are bloating pot, but we are blocking top two sets and as a result villain's continuing range is bound to consist disproportionally of draws. Also we are not dead ourselves, because we are drawing for the full house.

This is why continuing on the turn when the flush completes makes sense some portion of the time. We can still get value from straight draws while turning our hand into a bluff vs baby flushes. We can always fold vs a big turn raise or a big shove on the river.

As V is described, and being on the BTN, I would think he can have a lot of naked Ad combos.

It's 6 handed, and V is on the BTN. Many decent regs will start to open up their range pre when playing short handed. And having the Ad could make for some interesting bluffing opportunities on three flush boards. I could see an opponent having A5o to A9o with the Ad, and playing it this way, especially if he thinks OP is FOS or overplaying his hand on the flop.

As for V, he's a recovering spew-fish, now described as a "loose passive station with a spaz button". I think it's possible V gets a wild hair up his a$$ and decides to rep the nuts if hero bets 10% pot here.

I guess maybe I just don't like making raise-inducing bets with marginal strength hands, without holding any blockers to opponents' strong hands.

Wow, the solver uses that size sometimes? I'd thought it was a wrinkle of yours/someone else's to get live players irritated and bomb over it? But it also works as a block bet? Huh...