Why Is The Tariff Issue Controversial?
Setting aside that it could depend on the size of the tariff and the product involved, if you stick to one proposal at a time why is there such a debate about each one of them? If you put a 50% tariff on widgets from Babylon it would seem to result in obvious results. Yet there is this big debate, Are people disagreeing about what the results would be or are they disagreeing not about the results. but rather about whether we want those results?
Just answer this, please. If people were better off under Trump, why didn't they keep voting for his policies? Instead they left in droves
Trump supporters didn't leave in droves. Every election since 2016 saw an increase in voters for him by the millions. The same cannot be said about Democrats as shown below. The largest drop in number of votes was by Democrats between 2020 and 2024.
Trump:
2016 - 62.9M
2020 - 74.2M
2024 - 76.9M
Hillary:
2016 - 65.8M
Biden:
2020 - 81.2 M
Harris:
2024 - 74.4M
Now please share your evidence to the contrary so we can discuss.
Trump did an unprecedented thing that no economist and investor in the markets understand .
Creating around 4 trillions of debt up to end of 2019 with a record low unemployment, no inflation , no recession , extremely low interest rates , record high stock market at the time etc …
And people wonder why today we have such a high debt while at the same time Praising trump that was throwing money around and they felt good under him ?
Ffs, people think biden was bad because they know **** about the eco
Treasury department previously released figures showing debt growing faster under Biden. We also cant ignore the role COVID played during both presidencies and the impact it had on debt during those years. Both parties are guilty of over spending and devaluing the dollar.
People don't believe Biden is bad because they don't understand the economy. It's because they're feeling it directly in their bank account and he's telling them it's not true. You can't just tell people the economy is good. You can't just show them a chart and hope they get it. People need to feel it first hand, and under Trump they did, which is why theyre now coming back for more.
Trump supporters didn't leave in droves. Every election since 2016 saw an increase in voters for him by the millions. The same cannot be said about Democrats as shown below. The largest drop in number of votes was by Democrats between 2020 and 2024.
Trump:
2016 - 62.9M
2020 - 74.2M
2024 - 76.9M
Hillary:
2016 - 65.8M
Biden:
2020 - 81.2 M
Harris:
2024 - 74.4M
Now please share your evidence to the contrary so we can discuss.
I wasn't aware Harris ran in 2020 so it's already a moot comparaison.
Voter turnouts, voting-age population and voting-eligible population also seem not to matter for you.
Now I ask again why did Biden get elected if Trump was such a wonder?
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Treasury department previously released figures showing debt growing faster under Biden. We also cant ignore the role COVID played during both presidencies and the impact it had on debt during those years. Both parties are guilty of over spending and devaluing the dollar.
People don't believe Biden is bad because they don't understand the economy. It's because they're feeling it directly in their bank account and he's telling them it's not true. You can't just tell people the economy is good
first that is not true !
yes people needed to fell it first hand...
no inflation under trump duh...
doesnt mean trump did better...
inflation was a freakn worldwide phenomenon, its nothing special in the US..
hence the point that massive amount of people know nothing about the economy.
I wasn't aware Harris ran in 2020 so it's already a moot comparaison.
Voter turnouts, voting-age population and voting-eligible population also seem not to matter for you.
Now I ask again why did Biden get elected if Trump was such a wonder?
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also humor
What do you mean ask again? You didn't ask that in the first place. You asked why Trump supporters didn't keep voting for his policies, instead leaving in droves. I demonstrated with factual numbers they increaseingly voted for his policies and did not leave in droves.
These voting categories don't seem to matter to you either because you haven't shared any data about them to discuss.
Harris was Bidens VP on the 2020 ticket ...I guess now you know. Lol
What do you mean ask again? You didn't ask that in the first place. You asked why Trump supporters didn't keep voting for his policies, instead leaving in droves. I demonstrated with factual numbers they increaseingly voted for his policies and did not leave in droves.
These voting categories don't seem to matter to you either because you haven't shared any data about them to discuss.
Harris was Bidens VP on the 2020 ticket ...I guess now you know. Lol
Oh my you are dense.
I guess I have to eli5 it to you, sigh...
My first post was tongue in cheek , I found it funny to copy paste your post changing one name, hinting at why did Trump not get reelected if his policies were so awesome.
I realised you didn't get it and hinted (lol hint ) at it again by literally writing the word humor in my reply.
It was prolly stupid but I didn't think it would trigger this response.
Then again seeing pizza discussions can go on pages , I shouldn't ever be that cryptic.
I didn't post the numbers, didn't think it would matter.
Here are some for you stats lovers:
2016
https://election.lab.ufl.edu/voter-turno...
2020
https://election.lab.ufl.edu/voter-turno...
Just looking at these shows more people voted in 2020 (about 20M), more people were eligible to vote (about 10M) , and also the turnout rate was 6% higher than 2016.
Now for 2024, it looks like less turnout rate so far (by 3%).
What it means I have no idea.
If he enacts his tariffs and does mass deportation then inflation will be double digits
It will also be the poor and middle class that get hurt the most
Oh my you are dense.
I guess I have to eli5 it to you, sigh...
My first post was tongue in cheek , I found it funny to copy paste your post changing one name, hinting at why did Trump not get reelected if his policies were so awesome.
I realised you didn't get it and hinted (lol hint ) at it again by literally writing the word humor in my reply.
It was prolly stupid but I didn't think it would trigger this response.
Then again seeing pizza discussions can go on pages , I shouldn't ever be that crypti
Wow, that's really funny stuff. Boy, do I feel stupid for not picking up on such a knee slapper. Youre so likeable online, you must be the life of every party you go to. Thank you for gifting us peasants with your presence today, your Majesty. Please tell us, how do you keep that stable of eager models at bay long enough to insult people from your computer???
Yeah, I guess asking you to support your claim makes me a "stats lover." Lol. You're right, you should just continue to throw out blanket statements and hope nobody questions them.
You're obviously more interested in playing keyboard warrior than challengeing each other's positions. So, I won't waste my time. Just remember, no matter what you type online, it will never change the fact that your team lost and my team won. Enjoy the next four years!
Wow, that's really funny stuff. Boy, do I feel stupid for not picking up on such a knee slapper. Youre so likeable online, you must be the life of every party you go to. Thank you for gifting us peasants with your presence today, your Majesty. Please tell us, how do you keep that stable of eager models at bay long enough to insult people from your computer???
Yeah, I guess asking you to support your claim makes me a "stats lover." Lol. You're right, you should just continue to throw out bla
Dude is mad cause I don't post source.
I post source and dude is even mad'er/
Also by your own words
Let's see.
Trump:
Wins popular vote as Republican for first time since 1980s.
George W bush 2004 election vs John Kerry
Popular vote 62,040,610 59,028,444
Dude also assume everyone entering the discussion is american and/or US voter when he's being challenged.
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Muah!
So if Tariffs are so bad and they only hurt the US consumer as they pay the prices why are countries like Canada and Mexico in a panick?
Americans will pay more for produce and gas .
Because they will sell less to Americans .
Slower economic activity unless they can sell more to Europe
Or others to compensate .
Tariffs works for what exactly ?
No idea what you mean when referring to my post ?
What is untrue is to believe tariffs won’t push prices higher which is what trump and his buddy Navarro claim .
Now can tarifs do some positive things ?
Sure but the question is it worthwhile if the cost is higher then it’s benefits .
Historically it never is .
So what you are you alluding to when you says tariffs works ?
Fwiw its incredibly amazing that Maga praises tariffs while claiming they hate socialism , taxes and controlled market ….
you guys are completely overlooking the fact that china has 10x the tariffs we have on them and they've done that for decades - this is economic warfare and you can't look at our actions in a vacuum because it requires context
you guys are completely overlooking the fact that china has 10x the tariffs we have on them and they've done that for decades - this is economic warfare and you can't look at our actions in a vacuum because it requires context
So you want to pay more for your purchases because economic warfare?
you guys are completely overlooking the fact that china has 10x the tariffs we have on them and they've done that for decades - this is economic warfare and you can't look at our actions in a vacuum because it requires context
The problem that is imho idiotic is using tariffs on something that has nothing to do with economics to begin with (it’s about borders) and towards its best allies (Mexico & Canada) .
Now for China it’s another matter and still no matter the context , tariffs never been much of a successful solution .
this is like you have a serial rapist in an alleyway and when someone suggests sending the police to capture the guy people shut down that idea and post academic articles positing that the criminal justice system in america doesn't really reform anything and he'll probably just rape again after he serves his sentence anyway so may as well let him stay out there rapin instead of going through the very costly arrest, trial, and incarceration since it apparently doesn't even matter anyway and won't change anything and then we have fewer tax dollars to spend on other things
you guys are insane
this is like you have a serial rapist in an alleyway and when someone suggests sending the police to capture the guy people shut down that idea and post academic articles positing that the criminal justice system in america doesn't really reform anything and he'll probably just rape again after he serves his sentence anyway so may as well let him stay out there rapin instead of going through the very costly arrest, trial, and incarceration since it apparently doesn't even matter anyway and won't
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this is like you have a serial rapist in an alleyway and when someone suggests sending the police to capture the guy people shut down that idea and post academic articles positing that the criminal justice system in america doesn't really reform anything and he'll probably just rape again after he serves his sentence anyway so may as well let him stay out there rapin instead of going through the very costly arrest, trial, and incarceration since it apparently doesn't even matter anyway and won't
It’s hard to decipher on why you are for tariffs , to accomplished what exactly and vs who .
The problem that is imho idiotic is using tariffs on something that has nothing to do with economics to begin with (it’s about borders) and towards its best allies (Mexico & Canada) .
Now for China it’s another matter and still no matter the context , tariffs never been much of a successful solution .
Targeted, spexific, reasoned tariffs may or may not really help you. But it’s known that across the board slapdash ones won’t. Like nobody argues Chinese tariffs against the US have been a great benefit for Chinese consumers…..because they obviously have not.
tariffs used in china have absolutely been a net positive for them
you're a feckless rtard hiding behind talking points and skirting reality if you think otherwise
He specifically mentioned Chinese consumers. Do tell... how have Chinese consumers benefited from their tariffs?
yeah the chinese government who shocked the world with their economic development over the past several decades and brought an unprecedented amount of people out of poverty in shockingly fast time would have been much better off following the standard 3rd world playbook of never developing their own industries and instead just buying products from multi national companies rather than producing their own where a handful of oligarchs in charge of natural resource rights do well and the population themselves live as subsistence farmers
yes, they could have bought a whole lot more buicks quite cheaply though, which matters greatly to someone making $600 a year on their half acre millet farm who stays at the farm because there's no other opportunities
you guys are so focused on the most niche of niche viewpoints that you miss the big picture and it's showing when you try to pidgeonhole the conversation to "but what about consumers"
the lie of "this is good for consumers" is exactly why we have a rust belt today that is deeply impoverished and why the middle class can no longer afford to buy housing
