Cutie heart IP
1/3 NLHE 8 handed.
Table kind of sucks, we're vacillating between card dead and getting gutted with AQ vs AK multiple times. Somehow we're only down one BI. On our second BI and we've been trying to grind it back.
V - loose passive that plays 2/5. I used to think he was good because he plays 2/5 but he actually sucks more than me. He's very loose passive pre, opens too wide sometimes and post flop he's very button clicky and FPS. He has a sizing tell - big pairs he opens huge, like 20 cold over the 3$ blind. When he goes deep he goes on lockdown and plays a passive value-only game. When he loses a bit he can get very punty. Covers. UTG.
HH w/ V: V cold opens UTG to 20, Hero calls in CO with T♠ T♥ off 500$ eff stack, HU to 9♠ 6♣ 3♠, V cbets 25, I call, turn Q♦, V bets 75 into 90, Hero thinks and calls, River K♥ check check, V shows 5♥ 6♥.
V has been losing and is getting tilted as per the hand above.
--- Hero eff with 285$ in CO ---
BTN straddles 6, V limps, fish limps LJ, Hero to 30 with Q♥ T♥ in CO, V calls, fish calls. 3-ways IP.
Flop 90 - K♥ Q♦ 5♥
V checks, Fish checks, Hero bets 40, V calls, Fish folds. HU IP.
Turn 170 - 4♦
V leads 95, Hero? ...we have 215 back...
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I like jamming here. Obviously he can have worse hands with all of the draws available. He probably isn't going to bluff the river because you can't really fold much for $115. He also might fold something that has decent equity, although I doubt he will a fold a hand that is better than QT.
Since you seemingly have no fold equity, I'm calling here and seeing what the river brings.
1/3 NLHE 8 handed.
Table kind of sucks, we're vacillating between card dead and getting gutted with AQ vs AK multiple times. Somehow we're only down one BI. On our second BI and we've been trying to grind it back.
V - loose passive that plays 2/5. I used to think he was good because he plays 2/5 but he actually sucks more than me. He's very loose passive pre, opens too wide sometimes and post flop he's very button clicky and FPS. He has a sizing tell - big pairs he opens huge, like 20 cold over th
first thought is that in hand 1 villian has a mandatory river overbet bluff that he whiffed on.
anyways for your hand id check the flop 3 ways
as played fold the turn this size is too value heavy.
first thought is that in hand 1 villian has a mandatory river overbet bluff that he whiffed on.
anyways for your hand id check the flop 3 ways
as played fold the turn this size is too value heavy.
Obviously don't fold the turn getting 3 to 1 where you are either ahead or have at least 8 outs , probably more. You could shove as maybe he has back door diamonds with a worse pair. Calling fine. Folding wtf???
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Folding would be absurd. Call, you could fold river unimproved if you like. I doubt jamming will be particularly profitable (it may not fold a King but it might fold a lower heart draw)
Call
Also terrible bet on the flop
Nice reads. Really helpful. Because of them, I'd never shove here. This is a call al dayy long, and might be a call OTR even unimproved.
Name me one reason to bet this flop besides the fact that we have a pair + fd?
Is it for value? Not really
Is it to make a better hand fold? Nope
Is it to deny equity? Nope
3 ways this is a pure check back, HU vs fish i could go for value yes.
Is it for value? Not really
Disagree. It is for value. We're building a pot against a tilted opponent.
You can make qj fold now or later for example. You can get a worse hand to call eg nfd or a dominated flush draw. You can deny equity to a hand like 56 especially diamonds.
Saying you can't bet flop is a bit silly
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Pre seems fine, though I think we can go a little larger with our raise size, like $35-$40. Flop c-bet seems a tad big, but probably fine.
Not sure what to make of his turn donk. Maybe a delayed check raise? Maybe he picked up a diamond draw, with a hand like 65dd?
Don't think it makes sense to turn our hand into a bluff by jamming. Are we planning to fold on a draw completing river, or bluff catch? I guess just call, see what he does on the river, and evaluate.
You can make qj fold now or later for example. You can get a worse hand to call eg nfd or a dominated flush draw. You can deny equity to a hand like 56 especially diamonds.
Saying you can't bet flop is a bit silly
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Sure you can bet the flop, you can even open fold , is it making more money than checking? Probably not.
is usually a line ppl take when they pick up equity ott and dont want to c/c. i guess id jam w stacks
i could be very convinced not to iso pre given stacks, btn straddle, tilt guy limping etc
Sure you can bet the flop, you can even open fold , is it making more money than checking? Probably not.
Yes of course it is making more than checking. The only hands you are decent underdog to are 2 pairs plus and only a set is a serious favourite. And what sets are there... Shouldn't be kk or qq given pre. So you are losing to 3 combos of bottom set
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Yes of course it is making more than checking. The only hands you are decent underdog to are 2 pairs plus and only a set is a serious favourite. And what sets are there... Shouldn't be kk or qq given pre. So you are losing to 3 combos of bottom set
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This is why poker is a great game, no matter how much we argue, your gonna think you’re right and im gonna think im right so lets just leave it at that.
Result:
Spoiler
I call the 95 leaving 120 back to the river - which is the 4♥, V says "I'll put you all in" and I snap it off and he has K♣ T♦
NH; WP.
What Garick said.
^ if river flush hadnt come in are you guys calling Vs shove? say river is 2♣
Most likely not. His turn donk looks like value that didn't like seeing another draw present on the turn, or some pair plus draw. We don't beat any of his value, and not sure what pair + draw he bets on turn and jams river that we beat.
Maybe if the river comes another T, Q, or K, especially the Kd. Then, sure, I might call the jam.
