Climate Change - increasingly horrible disasters loom
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there is so much out there about this - I don't really need to provide a lot of sources - a quick google search will find you thousands of links
of course there are the climate change deniers
and there are those who say what little we can do won't be nearly enough
just one link:
from the article:
"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. "
couldn't resist one more link - story about Siberia, one of the coldest places on earth where there is human habitation - they now face 100 degree days and multiple wildfires caused by them
https://eos.org/articles/siberian-heat-w....
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it really boggles my mind how people have such a narrow view on this topic, even just simply calling it 'global warming', as if that was all there is to it.
buddy... there's like 5% of humanity always on the brink of starving, another 15-20% food-insecure (meaning, they don't know when/what will be their next meal). imagine this number going up, probably doubling
now add mass movement (forced) due to whole areas no longer habitable (either too hot or completely flooded)
the wealth distribution tod
Global warming makes the planet more green. Fact
All those people poor, starving, food insecure etc are the ones who suffer the most with measure to protect the environment. Cheap energy made us "rich". shutting the door behind you will create unimaginable suffering to billions. Cheap energy is what they need. Cheap energy pollutes. Raising people out of poverty as fast as possible is what's best for "global warming"
Global warming makes the planet more green. Fact
All those people poor, starving, food insecure etc are the ones who suffer the most with measure to protect the environment. Cheap energy made us "rich". shutting the door behind you will create unimaginable suffering to billions. Cheap energy is what they need. Cheap energy pollutes. Raising people out of poverty as fast as possible is what's best for "global warming"
I can’t wait to see how higher temperature will decrease desertic area ….
When you think Sahara desert will start getting smaller by creating more greener environment.
For now they growing , guess the temperature isn’t high enough just yet .
luxury condos, hotels in Miami sinking at ‘unexpected’ rates
total of 35 buildings that have sunk by as much as three inches between 2016 and 2023
rising sea levels are now encroaching on sand and limestone underneath our feet.
That could lead to the corrosion of the pillars on which high-rises stand
accelerating the erosion of the limestone on which South Florida is built
Good. The positive side to climate change that Luciom didn’t mention.
Global warming makes the planet more green. Fact
All those people poor, starving, food insecure etc are the ones who suffer the most with measure to protect the environment. Cheap energy made us "rich". shutting the door behind you will create unimaginable suffering to billions. Cheap energy is what they need. Cheap energy pollutes. Raising people out of poverty as fast as possible is what's best for "global warming"
It would be great if that fact were true. The problem is that many of the things that contribute to global warming are a result of the planet getting less green. This includes the reduction of trees in places like the Amazon jungle where they are doing it to raise more cattle and the result is more methane in the environment and less trees to absorb it.
The other problem that was mentioned is that without the reduction of pollution many areas that are now inhabited will become uninhabitable. This will result in continued migration which at this moment in the world is being squashed. So wars will break out.
The other thing that nobody seems to consider is that air pollution is causing over 5,000,000 deaths per year world wide. Some say it is now over 10,000,000. So while some people will benefit from a growth in production in their areas and an increase in decent paying jobs many others will die or become incapacitated.
And finally it should be noted that the cost of producing electricity from wind turbines and solar panels is now cheaper than coal, oil and gas plants. In some states in the US it is actually cheaper, including the cost of building the turbines and solar panels, than just shipping natural gas/oil/coal not even including the cost of those power plants. My guess is that the reason electric companies aren't moving to green energy in a big way is that they have to account for all of their investments in existing power plants.
It would be great if that fact were true. The problem is that many of the things that contribute to global warming are a result of the planet getting less green. This includes the reduction of trees in places like the Amazon jungle where they are doing it to raise more cattle and the result is more methane in the environment and less trees to absorb it.
The other problem that was mentioned is that without the reduction of pollution many areas that are now inhabited will become uninhabitable. T
If this is even remotely true globally, why are electric bills the highest ever or close to that in european countries? are you claiming electricity is cheaper from renewable without accounting for the massive state intervention on the topic? or after that?
If this is even remotely true globally, why are electric bills the highest ever or close to that in european countries? are you claiming electricity is cheaper from renewable without accounting for the massive state intervention on the topic? or after that?
It turns out in Europe the cost of electricity is based on the generators of electricity. Here is an explanation of how it works:
"As the system is built to serve demand at the lowest price, generators are dispatched from the cheapest to the most expensive, until the supply and demand curves meet. Generators will bid, and the wholesale price will settle at the rate proposed by the last power plant (i.e. the marginal plant) activated to serve demand. The wholesale power price will thus be equal to the variable marginal cost of the last power plant needed. Each generator who supplies during that time frame will be paid at the same level as the last activated producer. This is called inframarginal rent and it is used to ensure a return on fixed investment costs.
When supply meets demand, the market is cleared – and that defines the wholesale price. This system is called pay-as-clear and has been under scrutiny since Russia started tampering with natural gas flows, ahead of its invasion of Ukraine.
What is the wholesale merit order?
The merit order is the ranking of power plants according to their respective generation costs. It is established based on the variable costs of each power plant, calculated in €/ kwh. Renewables have the lowest variable costs, as sun and wind are for free. The merit order therefore ranks renewables first, followed by nuclear, gas, coal, and oil fuel.
The more solar and wind generation comes online, the lower the wholesale power prices will be. They can even lead to negative power prices, whose occurrence has grown from zero in 2010, to 375 hours in 2018 and 1827 in 2020."
I think the current energy price issue in Europe is based on two things: the Covid pandemic which caused a huge surge in energy demand in 2021 and then Russia and the cost of natural gas which has skyrocketed since their most recent Ukraine invasion.
If all power came from green sources the cost to consumers would be far cheaper than it is now. But that won't happen until there are enough green energy generators. Here in the US I don't think it works that way but it doesn't really matter yet because the electric companies that have invested in power plants won't give up their investment until it becomes cheaper to build and use green energy sources (which I have heard is already true in 5 states).
If this is even remotely true globally, why are electric bills the highest ever or close to that in european countries? are you claiming electricity is cheaper from renewable without accounting for the massive state intervention on the topic? or after that?
I guess it’s shockingly surprising that energy prices fluctuate due to many factors like economic cycle , weather , macro politics (wars) , supply and demand, etc .
Luciom: "climate change is a huge net positive for the world"
Where in the coloured map is the counter to my claim, which is "it's a net positive for the WESTERN world"?
You never post detailed accounting of pros and cons of the climate being warmer.
Just climate porn like this, a random coloured map showing "anomalies" without detailed elements to judge those anomalies as good or bad country by country, in terms of human quality of life for residents.
It is winter right now in Europe. The more the "anomaly" is toward warmth the better objectively it is for human beings living in Europe. Even 10 Celsius more than avg would be a blessing right now.
Instead it's 0 celsius outside here in the plains in northern Italy (which is more than 15 Celsius less than the optimal for human beings) and winter just begun.
Tropical weather is better than European climate. Which is why people retire to Florida not to Minnesota.
If we tropicalize (and that requires a lot of warming vs 1850-1900 average, 7-8 Celsius) our life is better.
Sorry Luciom if this goes against your utopia but here we are happy -> we will get a white Christmas with 10cm snow falling tonight , even tho you think it’s a blessing we wouldn’t had it .
Go melt the planet go !
Where in the coloured map is the counter to my claim, which is "it's a net positive for the WESTERN world"?
You never post detailed accounting of pros and cons of the climate being warmer.
Just climate porn like this, a random coloured map showing "anomalies" without detailed elements to judge those anomalies as good or bad country by country, in terms of human quality of life for residents.
It is winter right now in Europe. The more the "anomaly" is toward warmth the better objectively it is for h
Of course you don’t see any problems , all those people leaving in an inhabitable red zone , you would gladly shoot them all to death , even tho it’s mostly the western zone that actually created their problems…
You are such a nice guy Luciom.
And a true defender of « moral humanity ».
Where in the coloured map is the counter to my claim, which is "it's a net positive for the WESTERN world"?
You never post detailed accounting of pros and cons of the climate being warmer.
Just climate porn like this, a random coloured map showing "anomalies" without detailed elements to judge those anomalies as good or bad country by country, in terms of human quality of life for residents.
It is winter right now in Europe. The more the "anomaly" is toward warmth the better objectively it is for h
I have to post in pictures for you because if I name countries you get confused about which is which.
Global [strike]warming[/strike] [strike]cooling[/strike] [strike]warming[/strike] [strike]cooling[/strike] warming is a bitch.
We're about due for another climate disaster blockbuster. Any Hollywood types on this forum? Anything in the pipeline?
Earthquakes/tsunamis caused by climate change.
Coming to the big screen in 2026
Interesting scene in Landman about wind turbines. I get its a TV show but what part is false ?
Broken YouTube LinkThe problem with this line of thinking is , if u don’t start because it isn’t enough then you will never build anything .
Innovation comes from actually building it first and then you make it better overtime .
To believe we should find a perfect solution before acting due to money is pretty stupid .
That isn’t how technology and improvement work .
The problem with this line of thinking is , if u don’t start because it isn’t enough then you will never build anything .
Innovation comes from actually building it first and then you make it better overtime .
To believe we should find a perfect solution before acting due to money is pretty stupid .
That isn’t how technology and improvement work .
That might be a rationale to keep investing on research, not to install huge quantities of turbines or whatever else before they are a lot better than what we already have with fossil fuels.
It's kinda insane to install huge amount of renewables before they are significantly better than current technology without any state incentive.
The state can finance the research and when the installations are cheaper to install and run than fossil fuel energy that's when they should be installed.
That might be a rationale to keep investing on research, not to install huge quantities of turbines or whatever else before they are a lot better than what we already have with fossil fuels.
It's kinda insane to install huge amount of renewables before they are significantly better than current technology without any state incentive.
The state can finance the research and when the installations are cheaper to install and run than fossil fuel energy that's when they should be installed.
Again innovation comes from building stuff.
Research can get you up to a certain point only…
U learn, discover and improve more stuff by doing it .
When you make something as good as a Blackberry, why would you ever think of producing I-phones or want anything but 3g?
It would be great if that fact were true. The problem is that many of the things that contribute to global warming are a result of the planet getting less green. This includes the reduction of trees in places like the Amazon jungle where they are doing it to raise more cattle and the result is more methane in the environment and less trees to absorb it.
The other problem that was mentioned is that without the reduction of pollution many areas that are now inhabited will become uninhabitable. T
Google is not some conservative mouthpiece afaik. Last time I checked, it wasn't producing AI images of white people
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Yes, the world is greener today than it was in the past, with more trees and a greater amount of green leaf area:
Increase in leaf area
The Earth's green leaf area has increased by 5% over the past two decades, which is equivalent to the size of the Amazon rainforest.
Countries leading the greening. China and India are the countries that have contributed the most to the greening of the planet. These countries have implemented tree planting programs and improved their agricultural technology.
Other countries contributing: The EU, Canada, Russia, Australia, the United States, and Mexico have also contributed to the greening of the planet.
Cause of greening
The increase in greening is due to a combination of factors, including:
Rising carbon dioxide levels: Plants don't need to open their stomata as much to absorb carbon dioxide when levels rise, which reduces water loss and increases plant growth.
Satellite data: The Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS), an instrument orbiting the planet, has been used to track the greening of the Earth since the mid-1990s
So yes "The world is greener. Fact"
So as we move to having the planet 2 degrees warmer by the end of the century, places like Canada and Russia will be warmer and wetter. Greener. More plants.
So the alarmists will move the goalposts to something else. Yes pollution is bad. The solution is to bring people out of poverty. Not damn them to it by restricting energy. It's the same reason they chop down rainforest or poach rhino horns. Poverty. Places like China and India can progress in to a more environmentally friendly economy once they're out of poverty.
Poisoning rivers, ocean, etc is bad. That's not the same as global warming
Then you get climate alarmist/quacks shutting down their nuclear plants and trying to "go green". Germany created a total disaster. The solution? A pipeline to Russia, enriching Russia. Their solar panels and wind turbines are Chinese. Such a failure on all levels. Why did such smart people fail in so many ways? Perhaps they're triple boosted quacks
Much of the climate alarmist movement is just anti-human mentality. People's pov is in the form of a story. Climate alarmism and the anti-human movement is something like earth is pure and innocent. Humans are here raping an pillaging the innocent earth. Humans should live in poverty instead of harming innocent earth. People should try not to even have more children. Theres already too many people. People are bad. I'm kind of good but I'm different. It's the other people. Signed guy on smartphone whose parts are mined and manufactured by.... And who learned all this from people who fly around to conferences in private jets and have 5 homes
Google is not some conservative mouthpiece afaik. Last time I checked, it wasn't producing AI images of white people
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Yes, the world is greener today than it was in the past, with more trees and a greater amount of green leaf area:
Increase in leaf area
The Earth's green leaf area has increased by 5% over the past two decades, which is equivalent to the size of the Amazon rainforest.
Countries leading the greening. China and India are the countries that have contributed t
Well not surprising warmer tempers have little to do with what you implying about warmer temperatures is overall good .
It’s a lot about human intervention (a good trend at least that shows human intervention is absolutely necessary )
agriculturally
(which might not be sustainable due to eventual irrigation problem with groundwater being depleted)
and planting trees (by China) .
The weather increase basically didn’t change much of anything ..,
The researchers point out that the gain in greenness seen around the world and dominated by India and China does not offset the damage from loss of natural vegetation in tropical regions, such as Brazil and Indonesia. The consequences for sustainability and biodiversity in those ecosystems remain.
Global Warming cycle is REAL...
Because, THAT'S WHAT THE EARTH DOES! The Earth cycles, it does not stay consistent.
It's like fleas arguing over who owns the dog.
