Climate Change - increasingly horrible disasters loom
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there is so much out there about this - I don't really need to provide a lot of sources - a quick google search will find you thousands of links
of course there are the climate change deniers
and there are those who say what little we can do won't be nearly enough
just one link:
from the article:
"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. "
couldn't resist one more link - story about Siberia, one of the coldest places on earth where there is human habitation - they now face 100 degree days and multiple wildfires caused by them
https://eos.org/articles/siberian-heat-w....
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On one hand, I think everyone understands what some of these forecasts mean for beachfront property. On the other hand, there are frozen palm leaves under the ice in Antarctica.
It's not ridiculous to be concerned about coastal neighborhoods. It is ridiculous to think we can extinct ourselves as a species by making different areas of the planet more or less comfortable in certain types of outerwear.
Way too much of the rhetoric is coming from people in the second group, which ultimately harms the first group.
The rate of change of climate change is about 10x compare to historical data due to human behaviour ….
10X as in 1000% faster .
Remember when people thought the world was coming to and end with 9% inflation rate …
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/featur...
As the Earth moved out of ice ages over the past million years, the global temperature rose a total of 4 to 7 degrees Celsius over about 5,000 years. In the past century alone, the temperature has climbed 0.7 degrees Celsius, roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming.
Yup science is hard…
Ps: the rate of changes is still increasing today ….
On one hand, I think everyone understands what some of these forecasts mean for beachfront property. On the other hand, there are frozen palm leaves under the ice in Antarctica.
It's not ridiculous to be concerned about coastal neighborhoods. It is ridiculous to think we can extinct ourselves as a species by making different areas of the planet more or less comfortable in certain types of outerwear.
Way too much of the rhetoric is coming from people in the second group, which ultimately harms th
Let’s say we don’t extinct ourselves but we would see a 50-60% reduction of humans on earth .
Would that be considered a problem for you ?
As in yeah , climate changes did actually hurt many humans on earth ?
The rate of change of climate change is about 10x compare to historical data due to human behaviour Â….
10X as in 1000% faster .
Remember when people thought the world was coming to and end with 9% inflation rate Â…
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/featur...
Yup science is hardÂ…
Ps: the rate of changes is still increasing today Â….
This you?
I canÂ’t wait to see how higher temperature will decrease desertic area Â….
When you think Sahara desert will start getting smaller by creating more greener environment.
For now they growing , guess the temperature isnÂ’t high enough just yet .
This is the point someone makes when they don't actually get it. As I said, the world is getting greener. That's not apocalyptic.
I'm not going to bother multiquoting people and trying to go through each and every crises colored point but here's some inputs for your models and to help people grasp some sort of sensible big picture.
Hey google
The world's population has more than tripled in the last 50 years, growing from an estimated 2.5 billion in 1950 to 8 billion in 2022
End of the century: The UN projects the population will reach 10.4 billion
1950–1979: China's population nearly doubled from 540 million to 969 million under Mao Zedong
2021: China's population reached 1.43 billion
2050–2100: The UN projects that China's population will drop to 1.313 billion by 2050 and fall below 800 million by 2100
India's population has more than tripled since 1951, when it was 361 million people, to over 1.2 billion in 2011. In 2023, India's population was slightly over 1.428 billion, surpassing China's population
The UN projects that India's population will peak at about 1.7 billion in 2064.
Top 10 polluters
China, with more than 14 bn tons of CO2 released.
United States, with 6 bn tons of CO2
India, with 3.5 bn tons of CO2
The 27 European Union countries 3.4 bn tons of CO2
Russia, with 2 bn tons of CO2
Japan, 1.170 bn tons of CO2
Brazil, 1.140 bn tons of CO2
Iran, 1.130 bn tons of CO2
Indonesia, 1.106 bn tons of CO2
Mexico , 792 bn tons of CO2
Global poverty rates have declined significantly over the past 50 years, but there is still much work to be done:
1970–2000: Poverty rates declined from 20.2% to 7.0% using the adjusted World Bank Poverty Line. This means that between 212 and 420 million people were lifted out of poverty.
1990–2022: The poverty rate fell from nearly 38% to 8.7%. This is despite the world's population growing over the same period
Since 1990: More than 1 billion people have been lifted out of extreme poverty
If you look at famines and starvation, the largest instances and most common cause is communism.
I don't feel like rambling on in too much detail but I hope people can connect the dots and see my point as to why I find these models and climate apocalypse talk out of touch and in some aspects hysterical.
I've made the point that the world is more wet and green. The world continues to rapidly grow and rapidly pull people out of poverty. A remarkable decline in starvation and undernourishment. The largest polluters are China and India which have had a population explosion and poverty rates are plummeting. Population growth in those countries and the world are plateauing. Technology is always accelerating
The biggest threat imo is type of delusion that lead to Germany's decision making (for example). They destabilized the power grid and created a mess with all their "green energy". Energy prices mooned. They went and got a pipleline to russia to bail them out. They went "green" with solar panels and wind turbines produced by China, the largest polluter in the world. Circling back to the largest cause of famine, communism, it seems like delusional problem solving is a much greater risk IMO
I specifically quote not people but actual what science data says .
Again , the world is getting greener not because of warmer weather but because of human intervention .
I don’t known why it is hard for you to grasp …
Poverty rate been reduced by like 5+ millions US jobs sent overseas and globalization , not because the earth gets warmer …
Maybe you should not stop at big article title but actually read in why the title says so .
And fwiw, all those poor living at 35-40c Celsius will be kicking at your door eventually when it will get at 45-50C in 2-3 decades ….
Countries where lot of agriculture coming in now but won’t be able to produce food eventually due to desertification , flooded or simply no more people there to cultivate .
It already started in many places .
FWIW if the planet was so great , there wouldn’t be massive plants, animals or insects extinction on the way for a while Now …..
Ps: here is a thought that your « data » do not take into account .
1 acre of agriculture do not equate 1 acre of Amazon forest in « nature » cost .
Either are feasibly planting 3 feet trees.
That is why they say even those welcome increase of human intervention , it didn’t compensate enough the destruction being occurred by climate changes and bad human interventions.
On one hand, I think everyone understands what some of these forecasts mean for beachfront property. On the other hand, there are frozen palm leaves under the ice in Antarctica.
It's not ridiculous to be concerned about coastal neighborhoods. It is ridiculous to think we can extinct ourselves as a species by making different areas of the planet more or less comfortable in certain types of outerwear.
Way too much of the rhetoric is coming from people in the second group, which ultimately harms th
If the bold is true, then the fact that coastal property prices haven't done -80% or more is the proof that the market doesn't believe any of the apocalyptic predictions at all.
I specifically quote not people but actual what science data says .
Again , the world is getting greener not because of warmer weather but because of human intervention .
I don’t known why it is hard for you to grasp …
Poverty rate been reduced by like 5+ millions US jobs sent overseas and globalization , not because the earth gets warmer …
Maybe you should not stop at big article title but actually read in why the title says so .
And fwiw, all those poor living at 35-40c Celsius will be kicking at y
The world is greener because of more CO2 in the athmosphere which increases plant growth rate. That also warms the planet a bit.
So now you are predicting a 10 celsius increase in "2-3 decades" which is utterly insane and against all science, all while pretending you "follow the science". And all people claiming climate change is an apocalyptic risk do the same, they just make up completly insane, totally non-scientific redicolous predictions and move from there.
You are the anti-science team and always have been
On one hand, I think everyone understands what some of these forecasts mean for beachfront property. On the other hand, there are frozen palm leaves under the ice in Antarctica.
It's not ridiculous to be concerned about coastal neighborhoods. It is ridiculous to think we can extinct ourselves as a species by making different areas of the planet more or less comfortable in certain types of outerwear..
There are no palm leaves. There are fossilised remains of pollen and spores under the ice from 50 million years before humans existed. Think about what that says about sea levels and air temperatures across the globe.
Your concern seems to be as a landlord when you talk about property, not human life.
If the bold is true, then the fact that coastal property prices haven't done -80% or more is the proof that the market doesn't believe any of the apocalyptic predictions at all.
So what? The market is people, and people like you have their heads in the sand because they can’t consider just how bad things will get for large areas and large numbers of people.
The world is greener because of more CO2 in the athmosphere which increases plant growth rate. That also warms the planet a bit.
So now you are predicting a 10 celsius increase in "2-3 decades" which is utterly insane and against all science, all while pretending you "follow the science". And all people claiming climate change is an apocalyptic risk do the same, they just make up completly insane, totally non-scientific redicolous predictions and move from there.
You are the anti-science team and
Obviously not predicting that .
Omg lol .
U really don’t get it …
I’m not talking one place in particular .
It’s just a freakn range of what could happens in some places .
Here is an example what I’m talking about and that is this year !
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/....
The record-breaking heatwave that scorched the Philippines in April would have been impossible without the climate crisis, scientists have found. Searing heat above 40C (104F) struck across Asia in April, causing deaths, water shortages, crop losses and widespread school closures.
The results of the latest study to assess the role of human-caused global heating in worsening extreme weather shows how severe the impacts are already, with only 1.2C of average heating above preindustrial levels over the past four years.
Another “impossible” heatwave hit west Africa and the Sahel in late March, again causing deaths, and reaching 48.5C in Mali. Deaths from extreme heat are poorly recorded in many countries but previous research suggests millions of people have died early over the past two decades. In Europe, where recording is better, heat-related deaths rose by 25% in the past decade.
The scientists warned of worse to come. If global temperature rises to 2C, repeats of April’s extreme heat will be expected every two to three years in the Philippines and every five years in Israel, Palestine and nearby countries.
Temperatures have sizzled around 40 degrees Celsius (104 degrees Fahrenheit) in parts of the country in recent days, with the heat index -- what the temperature feels like, taking into account humidity -- in one area hitting 53C.
Lot harvesting died .
Now what you think will happened in the next 2-3 decades …
People won’t able to live in place where you get 1-2 heat wave like that per year .
At those level no , the plants won’t grow , it will kill the harvest .
Ps: yes I’m the anti science team where everything you say is backed by less then 1% scientific paper …
I specifically quote not people but actual what science data says .
Again , the world is getting greener not because of warmer weather but because of human intervention .
I don’t known why it is hard for you to grasp …
Poverty rate been reduced by like 5+ millions US jobs sent overseas and globalization , not because the earth gets warmer …
Maybe you should not stop at big article title but actually read in why the title says so .
And fwiw, all those poor living at 35-40c Celsius will be kicking at y
Everything about this is completely lost
I'm going to regret this but could you explain to me why you keep bringing up the amazon?
So what? The market is people, and people like you have their heads in the sand because they can’t consider just how bad things will get for large areas and large numbers of people.
The market is people weighted by how much money they have (or manage) and invariably money is on the hands disproportionately of the most intelligent and successful people on the planet.
Which is why in general in all markets betting against the market is folly and the vast majority of people who try to do so fail miserably.
And it is also why the market when it exists is the best estimator of actual real expected value truth of anything, far above the opinion of any single person or institution.
The market is people weighted by how much money they have (or manage) and invariably money is on the hands disproportionately of the most intelligent and successful people on the planet.
Which is why in general in all markets betting against the market is folly and the vast majority of people who try to do so fail miserably.
And it is also why the market when it exists is the best estimator of actual real expected value truth of anything, far above the opinion of any single person or institution.
The housing market is skewed by human lifespans and the short term.
Everything about this is completely lost
I'm going to regret this but could you explain to me why you keep bringing up the amazon?
Amazon rainforest ?
Not all square feet of green land is equal .
It’s not lost .
It’s about lot of future immigration will happen when many territories will become obsolete to live on due to flood , desertification are , etc.
not at all because
1) companies that invest in real estate exist
2) a ton of rich people deeply care about their heirs
also
3) every time you need a mortgage the lending institution will need to estimate the value of the real estate you put at as guarantee for that loan and it won't loan 80% of value for collateral that it will think will heavily depreciate in a decade or two, so you are also claiming all banks and mortgage lenders are completely wrong every time they accept coastal property as collateral
If banks were focussed on the long term we wouldn’t keep having financial crashes due to them taking on too much risk.
I'd love to see a serious analysis of property investment in places like Florida. There is an element of classic market forces going on but I dont know how big.
What happens is property investment funds are selling high yields to greedy amateur investers. Climate change has far less impact on short term rents so yields are strong creating strong demand that supports prices. The investors believe the sales line 'house prices only go up' so are on to a great deal. They may be totally uncomprehending of what they are actually buying and the climate risk they are taking on.
I'd love to see a serious analysis of property investment in places like Florida. There is an element of classic market forces going on but I dont know how big.
What happens is property investment funds are selling high yields to greedy amateur investers. Climate change has far less impact on short term rents so yields are strong creating strong demand that supports prices. The investors believe the sales line 'house prices only go up' so are on to a great deal. They may be totally uncomprehendi
There are many REITs with property in florida.
INVH, AMH, SUI, NNN among others.
Anyway you are still suggesting the market is completly wrong and people don't have a clue. And banks are still lending them with those houses as collateral so you are still suggesting all banks lending for coastal property are suicidal / moronic.
OR, stay with me, climate change actual predicted effects are just a very small fraction of the apocalyptic list of nonsense peddled as "science" by climate porn enthusiasts and while it can still be a consideration at the margin, it's OBJECTIVELY not as meaningful as those climate porn activists want us to believe.
Markets often underprice risk.
It's very profitable.
There are many REITs with property in florida.
INVH, AMH, SUI, NNN among others.
Anyway you are still suggesting the market is completly wrong and people don't have a clue. And banks are still lending them with those houses as collateral so you are still suggesting all banks lending for coastal property are suicidal / moronic.
Banks often break Rule #1 of gambling - don't go broke - because short term greed takes precedence over long term existence. Can't believe someone's even arguing abut this, but then again it is Luciom.
I get that your team take is "all the rich people, their consultants, and people making very high wages are dumb and the people who went into climate science academia in mediocre colleges, or in leftist subsidized climate porn journalism, because they weren't smart enough to make good money like the rest in the actual economy are right",
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f36e58ad1...
Sunflowers in September in an area Luciom assures us will only benefit from climate change.
