4bet pot on the turn
BTN is unknown, this is fast fold and I witnessed none of the 26 hands the tracker recorded and indicates in the stats.
€0.10 NL FAST (6 max)
BTN: 293.7 BB (VPIP: 8.00, PFR: 4.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 26)
SB: 109.2 BB
BB: 101 BB
UTG: 164 BB
MP: 122 BB
Hero (CO): 112.7 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♣ J♦
fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 23 BB, BTN calls 14 BB
Flop: (47.5 BB, 2 players) 6♦ 3♦ 6♥
Hero bets 22.6 BB, BTN calls 22.6 BB
Turn: (92.7 BB, 2 players) Q♥
Hero ?
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I don't think this is a good hand to 4! with. Stronger hands or bluffs. In general, I would go bigger with 4!s OOP, particularly at these stakes.
On flop I would bet 12.5 BB at most and on turn I would bet again to charge KdQd, AdQd, and Ad, Kd
I would check any river except the jack
I like the 4-bet pre, CO vs BTN this seems close to mandatory 4-bet until you have enough stats on villain to deviate.
would bet much smaller on flop as bassel suggested ,anything up to 1/3 pot is probably ok.
As played I would check the turn, no value to be had unless you go something ridiculously small that would just be raised by villain anyway
Bet smaller flop , and obv jam turn.
I would just fold. It smells fishy but it doesn't seem like there are many flush draws out there in a 4-bet pot. And you have the J♦ which makes bluff catching even worse. So you're hoping he has like TT/AK making a superhero play, reading into your small bet-sizing. I guess it's a slow-played AA/KK or the occasional QQ/AQ.
Also curious why people say jam turn? Makes no sense to me. I could get behind a call with reads but I doubt it's winning vs most.
Thanks for the answers everyone.
The solver indeed jams turn as suggested by Hz93, balancing with AK to make opponent's pocket pairs indifferent.
€0.10 NL FAST (6 max)
BTN: 293.7 BB
SB: 109.2 BB
BB: 101 BB
UTG: 164 BB
MP: 122 BB
Hero (CO): 112.7 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♣ J♦
fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 23 BB, BTN calls 14 BB
Flop: (47.5 BB, 2 players) 6♦ 3♦ 6♥
Hero bets 22.6 BB, BTN calls 22.6 BB
Turn: (92.7 BB, 2 players) Q♥
Hero bets 20 BB, BTN raises to 173.7 BB, Hero calls 47.1 BB and is all-in
River: (226.9 BB, 2 players) 4♦
Hero shows J♣ J♦ (Two Pair, Jacks and Sixes)
BTN shows 9♦ 9♥ (Two Pair, Nines and Sixes)
Hero wins 215.6 BB
what solver are u using? @boulgakov
https://www.gtoplus.com
Incomprehensible to me why JJ is used as a bluff with so much showdown value. Why not KTs or ATs? Also, where is KJs or AJs which would be even better bluffs?
It's not a bluff
Incomprehensible to me why JJ is used as a bluff with so much showdown value. Why not KTs or ATs? Also, where is KJs or AJs which would be even better bluffs?
I'm not sure why you think it's a bluff? Value bets are thiner in 3/4-bet pots because equity denial gets more valuable as the size of the pot increases. Giving a free river to AK when the pot is 92 bb is worse than if the pot is 9.2 bb, because equity is worth 10 times more in EV in the 92 bb pot than in the 9.2 bb pot. That's why you'll typically see solvers pure slowplay nutted hands in this type of spots, whilst value betting thiner : there's less incentive to bet when your equity in very high. You can give a free card to AK when you hold QQ.
I'm not sure why you think it's a bluff? Value bets are thiner in 3/4-bet pots because equity denial gets more valuable as the size of the pot increases. Giving a free river to AK when the pot is 92 bb is worse than if the pot is 9.2 bb, because equity is worth 10 times more in EV in the 92 bb pot than in the 9.2 bb pot. That's why you'll typically see solvers pure slowplay nut
Very good arguments for protecting your own equity in 3b pot. Though against AK, it doesn't matter if you have QQ or JJ. JJ is just afraid of AQ and KQ on top of that.
As played, I don't think we can do anything else other than jam. I don't find it super comfortable, but he can certainly call with FDs/JJ-77.
