Ukraine-Russia War Take 2
Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:
The site was hit with a massive spam attack where hundreds of spam threads were created. In the case where, for example, I see a single spam thread and delete it, that is called a soft delete, and mods can still see them but forum members cannot. Those deletion can be undone.
When a massive attack hits with hundreds of threads, an admin uses a different procedure where the hundreds of spam threads are merged and then hard deleted, where the threads are gone, and no note is left behind. As I have mentioned with my own experience of just soft deleting a large number of posts, sometimes a post or thread gets checked or merged accidentally and is deleted by mistake. Dealing with hundreds of spam threads takes a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
It appears that our Ukraine thread may have gotten caught up in that recent net of spam threads. If so, it is likely gone for good. I cant say this for sure, and am awaiting comments from admins on this issue. Yes, this sucks. And hopefully there was some other software glitch that caused the disappearance, and we may recover it in the future.
But in the meantime, I have created this new Ukraine-Russia War thread to enable the conversation to continue. Obviously continuity with earlier discussions will be lost. There is no way around that. So as best as possible, let's pick up the conversation with recent events and go from there.
If you have any questions about this, please post them in the mod thread, not here. Let's keep this thread going with posts about the war, not the disappearance of the old thread.
Thanks.
Bruv. It's staring you in the face. I mean you just linked it 
I linked a tweet from drop site. I didnt browse Arnaud's timeline. glad I did now tho!
And drop site had a plain as day big ass Arnaud tweet right in the centre of it. Are you seriously telling me you missed that? You genuinely didn't notice it??😆
I did not click on Arnaud's timeline. why do you think I inspected his timeline? this isnt difficult to understand. do you ever use twitter? would you like a tutorial?
So you don't check linked timelines to check what kind of source is being linked?But do link the tweet which links the timeline that you haven't bothered checking?
Okay😀
yes for some, like drop site, due to their reputation and history. while they are libs, they are not mainstream propaganda outlets so I dont need to worry about them platforming far right Ukranian nationalists or Israeli genociders or Syrian Al Qaeda proxies.
Oh well, long as they're not platforming far right Ukranian nationalists or Israeli genociders or Syrian Al Qaeda proxies, I guess they're okay. Still kinda bemused you didn't notice that NOTICE ME!! NOTICE ME RIGHT NOW!!! style Arnaud tweet though. Considering how noticeable it was and all.
I noticed it but did not feel the need to click on that timeline.
I know I know due to drop site being such an unimpeachable source, I get you mate. 😀
I acknowledge that pro Ukraine people overestimated the economic damage to Russia (caused by sanctions and the rest) since 2022 but currently, with Syria lost as well, it looks like Russia is finally a shadow of itself and russian economy is a mess.
Let's hope 2025 brings forward the actual economic collapse of Putin Russia
It’s true Russia was « manageable » in 2023 (7-12% interest rates ) but 2024 was painful and it’s getting to a breakable point.
Sadly trump will end up saved Putin ….
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/inte...
21% interest rates going to probably 22%.
Lol people are still dreaming about economic collapse of Russia. Screenshot this and come back in 2026 with new hopium
20% interest rates isn’t sustainable .
You believe a government and economy could last years on a credit card rate ?
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Russia could not help killing Ukrainian civilians on the first day of new year.
There were 111 'Shaheds' launched on Ukraine. One of them hit apartment building in central Kyiv's Pechersk district.
2 people killed. 7 wounded, including pregnant woman.
Russian terrorism is round-the-clock. It doesn't have holidays or days-off. The free world must stop it this year, otherwise Russian terrorism will come after it.
Lol people are still dreaming about economic collapse of Russia. Screenshot this and come back in 2026 with new hopium
The Russian bank rate was this high before, in 2003, and during the Nineties is sometimes went over 100%. It only came down for most of the last 20 years because of petro-income, and the Ukraine war has messed that up along with everything else. So imminent collapse is too much to hope for, but Russia will go on being a basket case.
The Russian bank rate was this high before, in 2003, and during the Nineties is sometimes went over 100%. It only came down for most of the last 20 years because of petro-income, and the Ukraine war has messed that up along with everything else. So imminent collapse is too much to hope for, but Russia will go on being a basket case.
I am pretty sure at the state level no one in the West really wants Russia to collapse, and if they did want it it would probably have happened. I think there is a very tight balancing act going on of trying to thwart Russian aggression and at the same time making sure it doesn't fall apart.
Syria, Lebanon and even potentially Iran are one thing; but the potential costs associated with Russia falling apart is a risk I dont think anyone wants to face.
Imo the west just want Putin gone and nothing better to bring anger to his people (and oligarch’s) with a 20%+ interest rates.
But the great collateral in this ? -> Syria dictatorship gone .
Even with "unprecedented sanctions" https://x.com/POTUS/status/1507842574865... Russia is still 11th for nominal GDP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...) and 4th for purchasing power parity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...)
Even with "unprecedented sanctions" https://x.com/POTUS/status/1507842574865... Russia is still 11th for nominal GDP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...) and 4th for purchasing power parity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...)
It isn't 4th at per Capita GDP at PPP in any list lol.
And here on wiki it is 43th
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...
Given the massive resources they have not having at the very least the per Capita GDP of Spain is already proof you suck immensely with no recourse.
Like at double their current numbers they would be redicolous losers anyway compared to any actual first world country.
At their current numbers they are utter trash like it's impossible to do worse than them in 2024 with an educated population and their natural resources
not buying sanctions will do anything as long as we buy oil. never underestimate a war economy I don't think it has reached its final form. debt/high interest rates mostly matters if you plan on paying it back. Since their enemy owns alot of the debt I wonder. Its not Canadians owning Canadian debts its Germans and Americans owning Russian debts
They don't have a national debt problem, they don't have much debt at all this time.
Oil is still being bought but at lower prices.
But when a ton of your already meagre GDP (they have the GDP of Spain, that's already a joke for a country which should have a higher than Germany GDP) goes for war, the actual quality of life of your people sucks badly.
not buying sanctions will do anything as long as we buy oil. never underestimate a war economy I don't think it has reached its final form. debt/high interest rates mostly matters if you plan on paying it back. Since their enemy owns alot of the debt I wonder. Its not Canadians owning Canadian debts its Germans and Americans owning Russian debts.
They already got booted from swift its not hard for them to leave the global economy and restart if we still buy their natural resources. sorry for ninja edit i was adding
It isn't 4th at per Capita GDP at PPP in any list lol.
And here on wiki it is 43th
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co...
Given the massive resources they have not having at the very least the per Capita GDP of Spain is already proof you suck immensely with no recourse.
Like at double their current numbers they would be redicolous losers anyway compared to any actual first world country.
At their current numbers they are utter trash like it's impossible to do worse t
Suck, losers, trash - sounds emotional 😀
I commented Biden's prediction where he meant a particular metric of nominal GDP (not per capita)
either way its unknown territory and will be interesting science. I think Russia will easily roll the economic dice like no one ever has in modern time
Suck, losers, trash - sounds emotional 😀
I commented Biden's prediction where he meant a particular metric of nominal GDP (not per capita)
Man it's just terrible and it pains me because it's people close to me (I am in the EU) which should be thriving in wealth at this point after they managed to get rid of the horrors of communism.
Instead their country behaves like neanderthals and attacks neighbors to gain a speck of useless land wasting immeasurable resources doing it.
Just sad
not buying sanctions will do anything as long as we buy oil. never underestimate a war economy I don't think it has reached its final form. debt/high interest rates mostly matters if you plan on paying it back. Since their enemy owns alot of the debt I wonder. Its not Canadians owning Canadian debts its Germans and Americans owning Russian debts.
They already got booted from swift its not hard for them to leave the global economy and restart if we still buy their natural resources. sorry for ninj
War economy works good while you're at war but their unemployment is going to sky rocket when the war ends. America had a big issue after WWII but lucky for them all the other industrialized nations were blown to pieces during the war and America became a manufacturing powerhouse while the rest of the world rebuilt. Even if Russia "wins" it's going to be tricky transitioning back from a war economy.
