Turning my hand into a bluff. Did I punt?

Turning my hand into a bluff. Did I punt?

**Hero (1120):** TAG. My image at this table is solid but not overly tight.

**Villain (1200):** Weak-passive player in t

25 December 2024 at 05:27 AM
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On a wet board, you usually should generally make plays like checkraise only with a really strong hand or draw.

Your hand was strong enough to check/call or bet/call. You weren't really bluffing or value betting on the turn, which is not good.

In fact, assuming your plan was to shove the river, most of the time you would be ahead and he wouldn't call. The rest of the time, like here, he wasn't folding, except maybe if a K hit.

Villain can have other hands, but he often has a combo draw too, as occurred. Making a big bluff on the river when villain had a draw is a disaster. Not sure you get him to fold 2-pair either.
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For what its worth, i plugged your hand in a bvb 100bb sim and your line is ev neutral, the only deviation is the turn where it generally just calls instead of the x/r but if you think the guy is weak tight then its probably fine.

A punt wouldve been to x/r turn and give up on that river, despite of the results.


by Joe-exotic69

For what its worth, i plugged your hand in a bvb 100bb sim and your line is ev neutral, the only deviation is the turn where it generally just calls instead of the x/r but if you think the guy is weak tight then its probably fine.

A punt wouldve been to x/r turn and give up on that river, despite of the results.

The problem is the river improves villains range and I don't think he folds his straights/sets/two pair/etc to the jam. I think we can get him to fold single pair Qx most of the time but that's a small portion of his range. If he folds everything but flushes to a river bet then go for it, but I don't think that's true.


IMO OTT x/c > b/c > x/r. You turned your hand into a bluff, but you were ahead and a 62% favorite OTT.


by luz4ggro

Should I have just check call turn for pot control?

Yes. A better way to think of it is: "What range are you check/calling?"
Also what did you want to happen. Eg. Which hands do you think V bets that you fold out, and which that he bets does he call.

by luz4ggro

Should I never have a bluffing range when check raising turn and bombing river?

Nobody said that, but given you bluffed and got called on the turn with the best hand ... was it really a bluff?

by luz4ggro

If villain had another hand would he have called?

If we knew villains range that well and how much he folds, life would be a lot easier ... at a guess most people fold something on the river, but maybe not a lot. And some will be so nutty after calling the turn x/r they either have big clubs, or a set+ and might even sigh call all of it.

by Joe-exotic69

For what its worth, i plugged your hand in a bvb 100bb sim and your line is ev neutral, the only deviation is the turn where it generally just calls instead of the x/r but if you think the guy is weak tight then its probably fine.

The solver flop bet was for a much lower size, I assume.


I wouldn't call it a punt. I think villain is in a difficult spot on river, when Hero's range is very mergey - and hero has excellent blockers to turn his hand into a bluff.


It's fine to turn this hand into a bluff, but you did it too early.

Every street before the river is played too aggressively.

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