British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
Tory leadership contest is quickly turning into farce. Trump has backed Boris, which should be reason enough for anyone with half a brain to exclude him.
Of the other candidates Rory Stewart looks the best of the outsiders. Surprised to see Cleverly and Javid not further up the betting, but not sure the Tory membership are ready for a brown PM.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri...
Regarding the LD leadership contest, Jo Swinson is miles ahead of any other candidate (and indeed any of the Tory lot). Should be a shoe in.
Finally, it's Groundhog Day in Labour - the more serious the anti-Semitism claims get, the more Corbyn's cronies write their own obituary by blaming it on outlandish conspiracy theories - this week, it's apparently the Jewish Embassy's fault...
Quality= people who are significantly measurably better than what the median citizen already is.
Income wise mainly, so if the median income is 40k, don't even think to import anyone who can't earn 50k++ immediatly.
Then filter on health (no costly chronic disease holders) and on culture/attitude (individual, not group: but no misogynist, no marxist, no religious extremist of any religion christianity included).
And no criminal record, and deport at any crime in the first 10 years at a minimum.
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Who will work in the underpaid farm land jobs then ?
And probably other low paid jobs many « natives » do not want to do ?
I mean from 1 to 100 (1 left 100 right) we have been within 1 and 10 the last 30+ years for all cultural matters, so BREAKING EVEN would be staying 90+ for at least 30 years straight , winning would be a lot more than that.
Just saying that you call winning what for us is still losing atrociously, just a tad less.
Examples of winning would be as I mentioned ZERO low skilled immigration till 2060, 0 refugees from any country worldwide where there isn't an actual war and that shares a border with us
I suppose when you say 1 is the farthest left possible is communist right ?
So Europe been practically almost communist since the 90s ?
This apparently refers to Rotherham, where police and council leaders did deliberately turn a blind eye for the reasons suggested, but the Rotherham gang were eventually brought to book, because of action by a Muslim prosecutor, and the previous refusal to act is now considered a scandal. So it's now politically toxic for police and local authorities to let such abuse pass.
It might be politically toxic to let such matters pass, but that's still no guarantee it won't happen in future. We need a public enquiry on this, and some people need to spend some time behind bars contemplating their decision to turn a blind eye towards Asian rape gangs, allowing them to have free reign to rape children at their leisure.
Who will work in the underpaid farm land jobs then ?
And probably other low paid jobs many « natives » do not want to do ?
He never has any answers to questions like these, as well as how the public pension requirements of an increasingly old population will be met without immigration.
But I suspect it will be something like let them die because blood lines and soil are of greater importance.
Who will work in the underpaid farm land jobs then ?
And probably other low paid jobs many « natives » do not want to do ?
as with everything else in the economy, price of a relative scarce commodity (in this case if you are right unskilled labor) will raise, which will at the margin decrease demand and/or increase demand for capital investments to substitute that labor with machines.
remember I am pro free trade, which I see among other things as a way to benefit from other people existing without having to subsidize them. it's far far far far better to buy cheap stuff produced by low paid people living elsewhere, than to import those people to make the stuff at home, you get the cheap stuff without having to deal with the poors making it and all the negative externalities they generate: win-win.
as for untradeable sectors, you get more capital investment to substitute labor, which is how real per Capita GDP and general welfare actually grows. and you accept having other human beings servicing you 1:1 is a bit of a luxury in a rich country.
i mean the alternative would exist with immigration, but it would require constitutional changes.
You can import a servant underclass for the benefit of citizens, a lumpenproletariat to clean your bathrooms and serve you dinner and pick your tomatoes, but then those people and their children need never to be on a path to citizenship, need to live far from actual citizen in a sort of "imported" class apartheid.
That's what the Qatari , UAE, Bahrain and a few others do. it works exceedingly well for the quality of life of citizens but at the expenses of human rights for the servant imported underclass.
I don't think there is the will to do so on western countries so the next best option is never to import poor people to begin with.
having cheaper labor for a while to pick tomatoes is NOT worth it if you then have to pay for healthcare, welfare, pensions and so on for those workers and their families in perpetuity
He never has any answers to questions like these, as well as how the public pension requirements of an increasingly old population will be met without immigration.
But I suspect it will be something like let them die because blood lines and soil are of greater importance.
I do to both. pensions require high income earners to get imported, not everyone would do. everyone paying lifetime less taxes that he gets benefits from taxpayers (also called "every one with median or lower income") will be an additional burden to society throughout his lifetime.
as for low wages jobs see the above answer.
btw the pension systems are unsustainable if you need to import people to pay for them so they have to be reformed into fully capitalized systems as the Chicago boys have been telling you since forever.
if you need other people joining in to sustain a scheme otherwise it collapses it's called a ponzi, criminal fraud if the private sector does it, public sector shouldnt run criminal fraud nation wide schemes.
having cheaper labor for a while to pick tomatoes is NOT worth it if you then have to pay for healthcare, welfare, pensions and so on for those workers and their families in perpetuity
Those workers add a lot to the economy because another country has paid for their natal healthcare and education, and it’s stupid and somewhat racist to assume that their offspring wont go on to make significant economic, scientific or cultural contributions of their own.
as with everything else in the economy, price of a relative scarce commodity (in this case if you are right unskilled labor) will raise, which will at the margin decrease demand and/or increase demand for capital investments to substitute that labor with machines.
remember I am pro free trade, which I see among other things as a way to benefit from other people existing without having to subsidize them.
And yet its pretty much what was the narrative in the US the past 25-30 years to send 5 millions jobs overseas to have lower prices on stuff with cheaper labour ?
How you think it worked out ?
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Exactly !
So stop pay them cheaply so they can afford themselves healthcare, pension and so forth ?
Yeah stock market Will be cheaper and less Wealth inequalities, with a stronger « Real » economy Will appear from the bottom 40% of workers .
Man that would be bad …..
And yet its pretty much what was the narrative in the US the past 25-30 years to send 5 millions jobs overseas to have lower prices on stuff with cheaper labour ?
How you think it worked out ?
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Exactly !
So stop pay them cheaply so they can afford themselves healthcare, pension and so forth ?
Yeah stock market Will be cheaper and less Wealth inequalities, with a stronger « Real » economy Will appear from the bottom 40% of workers .
Man that would be bad …..
They are cheap because you let it unskilled people to do those jobs lol. Imagine a world where no poor can ever immigrate for Canada and imagine that being the rules since 1970. How much would those jobs pay to actual canadian high school students, or young adults? a ton more, which ... was the case for fruit picking in Italy in the 80s.
Plenty of people bought their first car with summer jobs when 18-20 working cleaning beaches for tourists, or picking grapes to make wine and so on in Italy. In the 80s though.
Macdonald employees in switzerland (which has a system similar to what i propose, almost exclusively highly skilled immigration) have far higher wages. As do gardeners, babysitters and so on. Ofc that makes it a bit of a luxury for the middle class to access those services.
Stockmarket wouldn't be affected much if at all btw.
Oh the offshoring of jobs worked very well as intended, remember i am pro trade
as with everything else in the economy, price of a relative scarce commodity (in this case if you are right unskilled labor) will raise, which will at the margin decrease demand and/or increase demand for capital investments to substitute that labor with machines.
remember I am pro free trade, which I see among other things as a way to benefit from other people existing without having to subsidize them. it's far far far far better to buy cheap stuff produced by low paid people living elsewhere, t
Who do you think pays for these?
They are cheap because you let it unskilled people to do those jobs lol. Imagine a world where no poor can ever immigrate for Canada and imagine that being the rules since 1970. How much would those jobs pay to actual canadian high school students, or young adults? a ton more, which ... was the case for fruit picking in Italy in the 80s.
Plenty of people bought their first car with summer jobs when 18-20 working cleaning beaches for tourists, or picking grapes to make wine and so on in Italy. In
Why would you ever need a degree to pick up tomatoes?
Am I missing something here?
Q: why would you ever need a human
A: because it was the past.
I think it started there in academia yes as proven by the "seminal" production of gender theory "studies" and so on.
Well I dont know how old you are but the 1990s that i know of are Light years Away of what you seem to talk about and that concept Of it being left about this is from a small fringe of it today ….
Fwiw im leaning left and i dont rencognize myself when u associate it with left for that issue (and I assure you im not the only one…😉 .
I look at movies and Music and i see no left culture at all of what you speak of…
But yes you have a tendency to amalgame anything you dislike leftish anyway so its not surprising you see things everywhere.
They are cheap because you let it unskilled people to do those jobs lol. Imagine a world where no poor can ever immigrate for Canada and imagine that being the rules since 1970. How much would those jobs pay to actual canadian high school students, or young adults? a ton more, which ... was the case for fruit picking in Italy in the 80s.
Plenty of people bought their first car with summer jobs when 18-20 working cleaning beaches for tourists, or picking grapes to make wine and so on in Italy. In
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You contradict yourself ->
remember I am pro free trade, which I see among other things as a way to benefit from other people existing without having to subsidize them. it's far far far far better to buy cheap stuff produced by low paid people living elsewhere, than to import those people to make the stuff at home, you get the cheap stuff without having to deal with the poors making it and all the negative externalities they generate: win-win.
Ill explain something u seem not knowing, they imported the workers because corporations/farmers could not find « native workers » to get paid so Little while working so hard with the cost of living being so high compare to foregners working in Canada and returning in their Home after the season finish …
was great concept for the right , low cost on the Shelves and no higher tax to sustain unemployement during Winter since they return home…
And the system still working like that today .
Not many live here while working in farms cheaply , its foreigner going back home end of season…
You see, it doesnt matter where the poor comes from, its about them being poor -> not getting paid enough regardless of education, skills, or Wich country they are from .
That is called wealth inequality with bad redistribution or wealth and an economy profitable only for a higher tier ok the population.
In other Words, the Real economy isnt profitable enough …
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So why all the rust Bell and maga so angry about jobs ?
Why all those Talks about retreiving all those manufacturing jobs at a higher cost of production?
That you should not take in someone from outside to live in your country to pick tomatoes because the costs to do so are far higher than the benefits, for people living in your country.
You could take in seasonal workers, no path to citizenship, no birthright citizenship if they happen to have a baby while picking tomatoes. Only feasible if they agree to do that and they come from a neighbouring country though.
It's better to either pay more domestic grown tomatoes or import them from outside.
Picking fruit is a trade btw during covid the britd ****ing sucked at it
They arent the problem- its decent, seasonal, economic work that takes advanage of varied picking seasons
are asylum seekers really put in front of the line for healthcare access as this article claims , in the UK?
Luciom, please can you address this?
channel 4 are about to air a three hour documentary titled The Fake Grooming Scandal
good timing lads
