66's on the button.

Preflop is a easy 3-bet against a CO-opening LAG.

Trying to set-mine against a LAG is -EV, especially when he already thinks you're a nit.

You can call and continue to set mine but you could very easily be set mining against an already better made set, but worst part here is one of your sets if you do hit is gonna give someone a flush. I think you have to lay this one down there's not much you beat here. Turn comes any club even your 6 is not a good scenario. Are you going to continue to draw if a 5/9 non club comes or a 10 non club gut shot which will probably cost another 15-45$. Even worse any face card shows up continuation bet because they bluff caught or now have two pair and then the 6 of club peels and your really in a shit spot straights and flushes now get there.

I agree regarding the flush implications.

I meant this to be a rainbow board but screwed up.

3b pre is going to be better given description of SB. you dont want to get squeezed.

as played with SB left to act i just muck.

I like the preflop call. Playing it 4-ways in position is an excellent preflop result. I would fold the flop.

66/55 is probably my dividing line.

I think preflop is fine. In a raked game 3betting may be slightly better, but either play is probably fine. The recreational small blind would be someone you would like to rope in, possibly the big blind as well. If the blinds are more aggressive, 3b becomes better.

Flop I would just fold. Consider calling if you had a club ad you would have bdfd and sd potential, and some potential bludfing opportunities. But underpairs without a bdfd on a 2 tone board tend to be folds on the flop, especially multiway.

Preflop is perfectly fine.

Flop is a fold, but not far off. Facing a $10 bet or having a club seems about the border between call and fold.

Both streets are close enough I’d say it’s a good sign you’re properly calibrated if this is where you feel uncertain.

I'm also in the preflop-is-fine camp.

With three to a straight, calling flop for less than half pot is tempting, and probably not terrible, but SB can easily have hit the flop and you just don't have enough equity of manoeuvrebility, so this is probably just a rather reluctant fold now.

I think 66s can be 3b or call. Don't think you are making a mistake by just calling.

People cbet too frequently on flop, if you've seen him bluff, maybe you can call once (better if you had clubs) and assess on different turns. But not a big mistake to fold either give he's betting when he's oop vs. you

Blinds: $2/3
Hero: BTN (6♦️ 6♠️)
Villains: CO, SB

Preflop ($5):
raise $12, call, call

Flop ($39): 7♣️ 8♣️ 3♦️
check, bet $15, call

Total pot: $69

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Am I on crack for wanting to raise this <1/2 pot cbet from a V who in the last orbit had made a comment about H's propensity to raise or fold pf? But H overcalled on the button here and IO are over 30:1.

IOW, you look like you're set mining, the flop came out 873ccd, and H has practically no draws, so why not lean into the image? Currently, H has 388 back, there's 51 in the pot. H has room to stick in a decent raise and keep firing on the turn, if desired.

Or is that too precious and H just needs to fold 3rd pair already?

Similar to what I was thinking.. I don’t mind the call pre in position and hoping the blinds come along..

On the flop from here it’s either call down all the way (if the run out continues clean and V’s bet sizing stays weak or you have a live read that he whiffed), or raise now and find out where you’re at (I prefer the raise)

I like the call because it is a good result to play it 4-ways in position, with good immediate odds for the set.

I would call the flop and see what the blinds to and what the bettor does on the turn. We do have 2 outs to improve. We may be able to get an idea if we are good. If not, it may be possible to turn the hand into a bluff. Sometimes someone will checkraise and it will be an easy fold. Raising the flop, with 2 players to act, does not seem best. We have position, if not relative position, and I would use it.

Folding and raise are both OK, but as preflop, I think flat calling is the best play.

I'm surprised at the 3-bets here. We should like small pairs especially if the LAG is just gonna barrell against our set.

For those 3-betting, do we have any flat range?

Thinking LAGs don't get stacked by nits. They play enough hands to recognize when a tight player has caught a hand.

For everyone saying the flop is a easy fold...this hand is a perfect example of how we can leak chips by playing BINGO.

If you had a set here, are you waiting until Turn to fire off a raise? It's not the driest flop ever. Letting things like T9, 65, and various XXcc hands draw cheaply doesn't sound great.

But if that's what you'd do with a set IP, do that here too.

Being the first to call when ~setmining is always a little meh because it mostly means we'll need 3 postflop bets to go in against often just a single opponent in order to make money ~setmining. But for this price, us on the Button, and at least the SB likely to come along, I'm not going to hate.

Does the Villain's cbet frequency change when it is mutiway vs 3way vs HU? Overall, I mostly just fold here (especially since the other guy still has to react, plus some of our "outs" could actually cooler us).

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This flop to this bet is by no means an autofold. In my game this cbet can indicate a V unsure of how to proceed, meaning by calling here you can usually see a river for this price.

However, if we want to turn our hand into a bluff, I think we need to start now, as ideally we can get him to call a raise here and a turn bet before blasting him off OTR. A raise now to take the betting lead will look less scary than raising the turn, hopefully allowing us to get a call on the raise and a fairly chunky turn bet in before he folds. And also may clear the blinds.

All that being said, I would not raise with the SB still active behind us. I would certainly call to see what they do.

we have back door possibilities as well, and his range should be wide enough to not hit anything.

I call pre and I call the flop. A lot of lags love to defend pre, so a 3bet only inflates the pot with a hand that's not likely to improve postflop.

Grunch:

So...when I see a TAG-ish opponent raise pre, I tend to over-fold when I know they c-bet flops nearly 100%, regardless of position or number of players involved. Against a LAG, if we know he also likes to c-bet 100%, I could make a case for more aggressively 3B'ing pre, especially if he doesn't tend to donk flops in 3B pots.

As played, after flatting pre, we're kind of in no-man's land. Folding can't be terrible. Calling seems like it would be terrible if he tends to barrel off when his flop c-bets get called. Here again, though, I might occasionally find a raise and turn our hand into a bluff.

Reasoning is that 66 can pick up some straight outs on the turn, we can credibly rep 2P and sets here, this board would seem to favor our range more than his, he's c-betting wide-vs-wide, his c-bet is less than 1/2 pot, and I think we can take the pot down if we continue to hammer him on later streets.

Even if he has an over-pair to the board, he's not going to like getting raised here, and will almost certainly be checking most turns.

So, yeah, I think if we're not going to fold, raising is a better option than calling. And against a LAG who c-bets too frequently, in a wide-vs-wide configuration, on a board like this, I think I like raising better than folding.

You're not on crack.

As far as we know.

Of all the spots to pick, not a fan of it where you only have 2 miracle outs where both make straights and 1 of them makes a flush.

I am not 3! preflop. The the effective stack to call ratio is over 30. So we are (possibly) getting implied odds to set mine. However, the issue is how likely we are to extract maximum value when we hit the set.

Two factors that stand out 1) V in CO is a LAG. He's going to get to the flop with a lot of weak hands that will not continue facing pressure. 2) This is compounded by V viewing us as a tight./aggressive player. I'm calling and hoping that at least one of the blinds calls also.

Flop is a fold.