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you can fault me for not liking my comment on the joke, but the spurious claims to the basis of why i made that comment and subsequent attempts to turn pog against me because i'm now a monster who needs to be ostracized are completely unfounded

Until you are able to listen to the “why” of not liking your comment, you will not be able to see past your own blind spots.

Nobody thinks you’re a monster, but you’d do well to rethink some of this in the future.

cn she has

here's the main gyst of it

and here's the call for POG to shun me

and right on cue that's when some others who desperately wanted to let it be known to everyone they were not misogynists like me jumped in

my guess is this is not the first time vr falsely accused someone of misogyny because it'd gain more traction than simply stating she didn't like the person

At this point, nobody is making you look badly but you. Especially that last bit there. Like I said, I would temp you if you said it in my forum.

This forum, POG, happens to be full of mostly personal friends. VR doesn’t need to convince anyone of anything. We’ve known her for twenty years and we know exactly who she is. You need to stop it.

rickroll, nobody cares about your victim mentality. Go cry to your Dad, man. In language you might understand: this is some weak, ***** ****.

Totally relate to this. Thanks for the reply, Zurv. I've lived most of my life as a selfish, defensive person and was also surprised about how far I made it before starting to become even a little self-aware. Now I get why several promising relationships never worked out. I genuinely hope you and your family are doing well!

7 years and counting, Tbob. So I guess I was pretty newly in my 30’s before realizing I was an *******. I went on a little apology tour of my own.

I'm still an ******* more often than I wish I was.

But any time I inadvertently offend or hurt someone, I apologize for it and try to do better. That includes people that I don't like.

I came back to this thread today and found so many posts from rickroll and people addressing rickroll that my curiosity got the better of me and I read his posts.

Said poster claimed to like me but refused to give me a simple apology after makng a comment that was definitely offensive to me, I gave them an opportunity to explain and apologize, and they doubled down, not only on refusing to apologize, but added what, in my eyes, certainly bordered on slut shaming, which I consider misogyny.

I can appreciate why that might seem like a stretch to someone who does not share my worldview, but the poster has never even addressed my opinion that he thinks what he refers to as "promiscuity" in women is a shameful thing--and, in fact, a MORE shameful thing than promiscuity in men-- since in his scenario I would have been judged for appearing to offer a blowjob, but not the hypothetical men for expecting/requesting one. I am therefore forced to conclude I read him correctly originally.

If he wants to dispute that he believes that, then I would certainly owe him an apology. However, in addition to sometimes being an *******, I am obstinate. If someone has said something to me that has literally provoked very unpleasant memories and reduced me to tears and refused to apologize for it, I'll be DAMNED if I'm going to apologize first.

I do not mention the tears to inspire any additional sympathy from rickroll or anyone else, but merely to reinforce that while rickroll was congratulating himself on making a "clever" meme of me, I was trying to recover from the fit of crying that his original post brought on. I didn't wish to explain that because I do have pride of my own, but sometimes some people refuse to get that they do NOT share the same life experiences as other people until it is pointed out forcefully.

To address filthy's comment about a decline in quality, I think there are as many good books being put out as there ever were, the problem is that too many books are being released either directly by their authors or through some sort of electronic distribution agreement that don't include careful editing--allowing everything from poor writing, to glaring plotholes to basic typographical and diction errors to flood the marketplace. It's basically a wheat and chaff problem.

Sanderson is still my favorite current author, but I've actually had difficulty getting through Stormlight, unlike everything else I've ever read from him. I have finally picked up WOT again after putting it down in the 90s when I concluded it was going to outlive the author and I wasn't willing to invest more of my life in it until it ended--and then they brought in Sanderson to end it, but I was working a lot and couldn't prioritize reading books of that size--since I tend to have a great deal of difficulty putting a book down after an hour or two of reading.

I do best with books around 400 pages or so that I can realistically read in a sitting, which is not WOT, but that's okay--and the newer trends toward darker fantasy aren't always great for me because it depends upon what kind of mental health day I'm having. Weirdly enough, I've been reading more mysteries, because a lot of nice wholesome murders are less disturbing than some of the tales out there. I might need to go back to YA fantasy, honestly.

Some of you may remember the game I ran with (and for those of you who weren't here, I'm not making this up) powerful telepathic horses, and last year I really enjoyed a trilogy by that author about the founding of Valdemar, and started a newer one by her centered on griffins. Trying to think about other fantasies I've read, the Lies of Lock Lamora was quite fun, I really enjoyed a few compilations by different authors, but I'd have to look those up, I read a lot of Honor Harrington until they got pretty weird, and I've read a lot of one-offs here and there, including filling out the catalogues of authors that I already knew I loved.

I can give a more complete answer after I go back through my Kindle.

if you simply stated that my post caused great pain to you that would have been different, you chose a very different path than that

And yet still zero apology and you still perceive yourself as the true victim.

I am absolutely done with you now.

Ffs Adam, just walk it back. No one will think any less of you. ♥

serious projection, just because you realized you were once a total pos doesn't mean others followed that same path

but keep posting nonsense here, maybe someone here will believe you evolved into a real boy

Nooooo, don't do it! I would love to read them again if I could get something similar to a cliff notes version that removed all the long detailed descriptions of dresses and every paragraph where Nynaeve ends up "pulling her braid". That would probably cut the series in half and make it much more enjoyable for me. Jordan is the author who saved me from GoT and several other series' by causing me to institute a don't start 'til it's finished policy.

I have almost finished my collection of Wheel of Time in the original Darryl K Sweet hardcovers. Only one book left to get. They're by far my favourite books, love to see other people reading them. I'm pumped for season 3 of the TV show, too, it's covering my favourite storyline (from book 4)

Fine.

I get angry when I'm hurt or someone I care about is hurt. And I don't like to share when someone I barely know has caused me profound pain, because it reveals vulnerabilities that have been exploited in my past.

So sure, you're a stellar human being. Thank you for your kindness.

Edit. That came out sarcastic because I am still pissed about you. What I intended to say before I was interrupted is that this can cut both ways and if I caused you any genuine pain then y am sorry.

I also get angry when someone I care about is hurt.

But like Samuel L said, I'm tryin real hard to be the shepherd.

wrong thread Mark

♥ you, Vr

vr thank you for saying that, it did indeed upset me greatly that i was being accused of such things, especially since i've seen how once those accusations get rolling, they can easily maintain a life of their own and we can see evidence of that very phenomenon starting to occur in the thread

i assure you that i meant absolutely nothing bad towards you, that i was only joking about what the stupid people's expectations would be and that in no way was meant to reflect upon you, your past, or your morals whatsoever

i'm sorry that it caused you such grief and will be more delicate with my words with you going forward

-adam

Okay, this was cool.

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There was zero genuine regret in a word of that post. Here's what I want to hear from you rickroll--

"Whether a person has dated otr slept with one hundred people or none at all has nothing to do with their worth as a person and certainly doesn't entitle anyone else to make assumptions about what they would be willing to do in the future. And my joke was tasteless and creepy when speaking to someone that I do not know well and I will refrain from repeating that mistake in the future."

You can even copy and paste. Or you can stfu.

I don't understand why you're responding to this with such hatred here. Zurvan had a thoughtful reply to my question that I'm just responding to because I relate to it. Nobody was saying anyone was a total pos. And it isn't nonsense. My lack of self-awareness has caused me to lose people that I've loved in the past, and I've made serious efforts to correct that as I've grown older. I'm in a loving relationship now and we work on these things together, it's actually quite awesome. Direct your anger elsewhere, this isn't about you.