The "LOLCANADA" thread...again
So what's new?
I've noticed the Liberals are now ahead in all major polls and Trudeau hasn't even started to campaign yet...i'd be shocked if they lost the election now.
Just shows just how incompetent Conservatives are.
Ya I doubt Trudeau lost many votes over the trucking protest his voting base wanted to lockdown until there was less deaths then the cold. I remember most people being against the trucker convoy and the ones who were for it were never voting liberal anyway
I realized Covid pro shutdown "scientists" were a bunch of hypocrites when during the summer of 2020 they came out and supported mass George Floyd protests while at the same time supported closing the economy down and social distancing. There is no "social distancing" in mass protests, but who cares about covid when its over a protest you support!
Their priority was just virtue signalling while their paychecks were guaranteed. Covid was just a vehicle for them to use to fellate their virtue signa
If it was limited to the "scientists" we could have moved on fairly easy. Problem is that center left and center right "moderate" technocratic parties and people almost everywhere were the same.
Ya I doubt Trudeau lost many votes over the trucking protest his voting base wanted to lockdown until there was less deaths then the cold. I remember most people being against the trucker convoy and the ones who were for it were never voting liberal anyway
Stop stop stop. Don't let Uke re-write history in front of your face.
Trudeau's election was end of 2021.
The trucker protest was 2022.
You don't know how many votes Trudeau "lost" because the election had already happened.
You told us that as he declined in the polls he tried to appeal to the "far left fringe". All of your examples are totally wrong time period, or don't at all come off as "far left fringe". The specific example of capital gains rates was a tax economists thought made the tax code more efficient and equitable, hardly the "far left fringe". I think the Liberals felt they needed to raise some type of revenue to keep at least some relative fiscal constraints in the budget, and chose one of the least
Increasing taxes on capital gains -> firmly a fringe left position fully embraced by the far left which cheer on capital destruction.
Just because you find an economist somewhere to agree with it doesn't make it any less fringe of a viewpoint.
Raising revenue? Why not cut expenses?
Gross. ****ing gross, dude. Set aside that a
were in support of the Emergencies act both in 2022 and still in 2024 - so hardly the "far left fringe" he is appeal to. He was appealing to the majority. So nope this fails as well as an example of him trying to appeal to the far left fringe when he was done in the polls (wrong time period, wrong group).
The specific act of enforcing vaccine mandates in 2022 was a fringe left position. After everyone had already been vaccinated and infected by omicron. The only people that actually cared about vaccine mandates specifically in 2022 were the covid doomer whackos on the left.
He could have dropped the mandates and move on, but he dug in and made the situation worst and the protest dragged on as a result.
Again with the "natives" bit huh?
Gross.
One can debate the merits here, but as you suggest with your numbers that Trudeau's government did a great job of increasing support for first nations peoples has been a hallmark of his entire tenure. So yet again this is not an example of him appealing to the far left fringe after going down in the polls.
3 failed examples showing far left fringe. Ignored all my examples like the GST cut which are the exact opposite, trying (fecklessly) to appeal to everybody just as the conservatives (fecklessly) did with their proposed christmas GST break. Fail. Fail. Gross. Fail.
Bribing aboriginals by throwing money at them has been the hallmark of his tenure.
If Canadians knew how much money Trudeau was sending them at the same time of a gigantic deficit in the works, they would be appalled. But majority of Canadians don't look at any budget math.
Sending unlimited money to aboriginals due to white guilt is a fringe left position.
Open borders is also a fringe left position that Trudeau embraced, tripling the immigration amounts per year for 3 years straight. This wasn't something Trudeau did before 2020. He only recently tried to reverse course (a few months ago) after being nearly thrown out the door by the other parties. Well he got thrown out the door anyway.
Ya I doubt Trudeau lost many votes over the trucking protest his voting base wanted to lockdown until there was less deaths then the cold. I remember most people being against the trucker convoy and the ones who were for it were never voting liberal anyway
No folks were opposed to the border blockades as for the trucker convoy in Ottawa he refused to meet with anyone and very few including world leaders were shocked when he imposed the emergencies act and seized peoples bank accounts .
Like I said if he removed the vaccine mandate the truckers were going no were . Justin likes his power and thats is all it was about .
I still can not fathom closing gyms, skate parks, golf courses yet keeping McDonalds open and than shopping at Costco and seeing a family there . Im sure some folks still have toilet paper inventory
Love the white professor telling us how great Trudeau was for indigenous people. The man couldn’t even attend the first national reconciliation day. Some chiefs refused to shake his hand and failed on clean drinking water and all the recommendations on the recommended changes
I never understood why Indian was bad than native than aboriginal . I remember discussing this with my drywall crew in their 50s and his reply I was born an Indian I’ll die an Indian .
It’s like folks being offended by a fo
You and Tien should sit down together and figure out what the right wing orthodox opinion is. He is telling me Trudeau spent way too much money on indigenous people, almost tripling the amount of money. You seem to be thinking no no he should have actually done way more. One of the great things about not being a hyper-partisan, is you get to look at issues as shades of grey, not black vs white. I get to note tremendous improvements in clean drinking water, all transparently documented, and excellent work spending billions that lifted hundreds of advisories, while still noting it didn't quite get to 100% as more came online with complicated multi-factor issues that challenge that 100% rate.
At the same time you guys can figure out whether calling indigenous peoples "Indians" vs "natives" is better. It's kind of funny that you bring up race here. A black person can call themselves the N word and an indigenous person can call themselves an Indian. That doesn't mean you should.
Increasing taxes on capital gains -> firmly a fringe left position fully embraced by the far left which cheer on capital destruction.
Just because you find an economist somewhere to agree with it doesn't make it any less fringe of a viewpoint.
Raising revenue? Why not cut expenses?
lmao you are hilarious. The "far left fringe" and just normal mainstream economists can overlap to a vague degree, but they do so for very different reasons and that doesn't mean something is designed to appeal to the far left fringe. The far left fringe doesn't care about the economic efficiencies of equalizing returning shareholder value through capital gains and dividends, that's something economists like. It's too technocratic for the far left fringe. Of all the many ways to increase taxation in a way that doesn't directly negatively impact MOST people, they chose one that would hopefully (and did) gain at least some tepid support for being as reasonable a place to do it from economists. You've got the messaging completely backwards - yes a far left fringe might also support this on a very generic anti-rich kind of way - but they targeted the tax to be one that would be as politically palatable to a wide swath of the population, not the far left fringe.
This is similar to when Trudeau lowered personal income taxes for most people but added a new higher bracket way back in 2015 or 2016 I forget, that was widely popular with the population because most people had their taxes go down. It's a policy of the center-left - of course - but hardly a "far left fringe".
The specific act of enforcing vaccine mandates in 2022 was a fringe left position. After everyone had already been vaccinated and infected by omicron. The only people that actually cared about vaccine mandates specifically in 2022 were the covid doomer whackos on the left.
He could have dropped the mandates and move on, but he dug in and made the situation worst and the protest dragged on as a result.
Ok. I still don't know why you are talking about this supposedly as evidence of him appealing to the far left fringe when he dropped in the polls. The big drops didn't happen until over a year later - back in early 2022 he had as you kindly corrected me JUST won an election that absolutely vindicated politically his approach to the pandemic. As I cited to you - the emergencies act was supported by a majority THEN AND NOW - hardly the "far left fringe". You're right this time period of early 2022 is when omicron was sweeping through and when the world started transitioning back to normal and that included Canada absolutely. It was always funny that the truckers were bothering their big protest right at the tail end of the restrictions anyways, particularly since the americans hadn't lifted the restrictions across the board at the time! One can debate that various jurisdictions should have moved a few months earlier etc etc, fine, whatever, but broadly speaking the population was in line with restrictions, in line with vaccines, in line with emergencies act, all of which polled in the majority, and to say that it was ONLY the far left fringe that it appealed is silly.
Bribing aboriginals by throwing money at them has been the hallmark of his tenure.
If Canadians knew how much money Trudeau was sending them at the same time of a gigantic deficit in the works, they would be appalled. But majority of Canadians don't look at any budget math.
Sending unlimited money to aboriginals due to white guilt is a fringe left position.
Ok. How does this advance your claim? Trudeau has done a lot for indigenous people in Canada. This wasn't some last minute desperate thing as he got unpopular in the polls to turn to the far left fringe, it was a stable part of his decade in power. You seem really.....mad....about it. Um. Ok. I'd recommend the both "From the Ashes" - powerful ****.
Open borders is also a fringe left position that Trudeau embraced, tripling the immigration amounts per year for 3 years straight. This wasn't something Trudeau did before 2020. He only recently tried to reverse course (a few months ago) after being nearly thrown out the door by the other parties. Well he got thrown out the door anyway.
That's odd. You told me when he dropped in the polls that he tried to adopt a far left fringe position. Now you are saying that he reversed course and left the far left fringe position. Let's not forget - of course - that basically everyone (including the conservative premiers) were clamouring and clamouring for more workers in the 2021-2022 labour supply crunches. Increasing immigration in that period was completely reasonable. This isn't to say that there isn't a critique, consensus is that it increase TOO much and didn't get constrained fast enough, but directionally both the opening and the closing are correct and it's pretty just silly to say this is "far left fringe". It's not like the far left fringe is advocating to bring in more temporary foreign workers to deal with labour supply issues post pandemic, it's far more technocratic than anything the far left fringe thinks about and I don't think the "far left fringe" was even on Trudeau's radar one iota for these decisions. I think they did it because they wanted to keep GDP up during labour shortage and overshot.
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You and Tien should sit down together and figure out what the right wing orthodox opinion is. He is telling me Trudeau spent way too much money on indigenous people, almost tripling the amount of money. You seem to be thinking no no he should have actually done way more. One of the great things about not being a hyper-partisan, is you get to look at issues as shades of grey, not black vs white. I get to note tremendous improvements in clean drinking water, all transparently documented, and excel
Lets be clear I use the word indigenous as its the preferred label. I'm not sure why Aboriginal never was appropriate. Heck I never realized years ago East Indian was offensive once I did I stopped using it. Indigenous folks in Canada are the most discriminated group there is. Sadly the reservation system is a complete failure and we can read some scripted words about how we reside on their stolen land which to me means nothing
Trudeau cares about Indigenous people as much as he cares about women. Chances are they will not be happy with Pierre either. I doubt any leader will make them as a group happy
Im curious how the liberals handle the leadership race. Currently I do believe the rules say 120 days and anyone can vote memberships are free . Damn if this is the case conservatives should sign up and vote for Chrysta Freeland
I think the two best choices are Carney and Clark . I think the person Pierre wants to see the least is Christy Clark and the person he wants is Chrysta Freeland
Lets be clear I use the word indigenous as its the preferred label. I'm not sure why Aboriginal never was appropriate. Heck I never realized years ago East Indian was offensive once I did I stopped using it. Indigenous folks in Canada are the most discriminated group there is. Sadly the reservation system is a complete failure and we can read some scripted words about how we reside on their stolen land which to me means nothing
Trudeau cares about Indigenous people as much as he cares about wom
I wouldn't say aboriginal isn't appropriate, but it has some connotations these days or referring to the Government of Canada legal structures of First Nations/Inuit/Metis as opposed to indigenous which is a more global term less bound to a particular colonial legal structure.
Regardless, you and Tien should debate without me being in the middle. He is the one worried that Trudeau tripled funding because of white guilt, so if you think he didn't do anything and didn't care at all then Tien is the guy to debate.
Lets be clear I use the word indigenous as its the preferred label. I'm not sure why Aboriginal never was appropriate. Heck I never realized years ago East Indian was offensive once I did I stopped using it. Indigenous folks in Canada are the most discriminated group there is. Sadly the reservation system is a complete failure and we can read some scripted words about how we reside on their stolen land which to me means nothing
Trudeau cares about Indigenous people as much as he cares about wom
Trudeau only wanted their votes.
Even if you gave them all of Canada and every single non aboriginal was deported, it would take them less than a generation to be unhappy again and whine about something else. We've given them enough money. Trudeau gave them the entire store.
And you are right about Trudeau and "feminism". He was always a fake feminist and did as much virtue signalling as needed to appease his base. When a female disagreed with him, she was thrown in the garbage right away.
I agree with a lot of this. Even though the liberal party is dead in the water and my vote in Montreal doesn't matter too much. I'll vote anyway because we need to "punish" Team Trudeau as hard as possible.
The goal is not even a political party in the next 5 years.
At the same time you guys can figure out whether calling indigenous peoples "Indians" vs "natives" is better. It's kind of funny that you bring up race here. A black person can call themselves the N word and an indigenous person can call themselves an Indian. That doesn't mean you should.
Calling someone a native is not like calling a black person the n word. Sorry.
Here is wiki using "Native Americans".
So yeah I use natives to describe Native Canadians, cry me a river.
This is wild to me. Not sure if this is a Quebec thing or not, but yeah, it feels to me like it's been a decade or two since that term fell out of favour, although perhaps it's not been that long. By dictionary definition it may be "accurate" but like a few other terms for people, it's been used enough in a pejorative or diminishing fashion that people don't like being referred to that way any longer.
Right, different people are different. In the US, terms like "Native American" or even "America
Well since Quebec isn’t much racist I guess that knowledge never reached us 😀 .…
Maybe some Idiots in the future will use the term Chinese in a pejorative way so we might actually ban that word too …
Like the bolded said , when u arrive at time where even accurate dictionary term are becoming « illegal » maybe some people should start to reassert some stuff ….
But then again we live in an era where a men isn’t a men and a human isn’t a men or a woman , so I guess it’s just a continuation of that shrug .
Like I said , I stop listening a lot about some stuff in society since couple years ago about identity ….
Thanks? I said that already:
[QUOTE=uke]I wouldn't say native is anywhere near as bad as the N word, but certainly it has become archaic and outdated.[/QUOTE]
Here is wiki using "Native Americans".
So yeah I use natives to describe Native Canadians, cry me a river.
Uh, I explained this already too:
Also note that this is very specifically about the Canadian context - in the US they use Native Americans the way we do First Nations.
Calling Canadian indigenous people "Native Canadians" just makes you sound ignorant.
I for one am SHOCKED that "Native Canadians" dude is the same one crying that money spent to help Canadian indigenous people is just about white guilt and a waste of money.
Yes, that must be it, Quebec has achieved that nirvana where no bigotry exists. 🙄
Maybe some Idiots in the future will use the term Chinese in a pejorative way so we might actually ban that word too …
Like the bolded said , when u arrive at time where even accurate dictionary term are becoming « illegal » maybe some people should start to reassert some stuff ….
There's nothing illegal about it, and language changing is nothing new and not a big deal. I mean, is it a problem to you that it's not acceptable any more to call people mentally ret***ed? Going by the dictionary, it's just fine. I don't think people care to be called crippled, even if they are by the dictionary definition. And to address the one you brought up - I think you'd get some strange looks, and perhaps offend some people, if you were to call someone "Oriental", or a "Chinaman".
Sorry if it's inconvenient for you, but language evolves.
Yes, that must be it, Quebec has achieved that nirvana where no bigotry exists. :roilleyes:
There's nothing illegal about it, and language changing is nothing new and not a big deal. I mean, is it a problem to you that it's not acceptable any more to call people mentally ret***ed? Going by the dictionary, it's just fine. I don't think people care to be called crippled, even if they are by the dictionary definition. And to address the one you brought up - I think you'd get some strange looks, and
I've always found it strange the reactions some people have when learning that the language they use is not really up to date.
Yes, that must be it, Quebec has achieved that nirvana where no bigotry exists. 🙄
There's nothing illegal about it, and language changing is nothing new and not a big deal. I mean, is it a problem to you that it's not acceptable any more to call people mentally ret***ed? Going by the dictionary, it's just fine. I don't think people care to be called crippled, even if they are by the dictionary definition. And to address the one you brought up - I think you'd get some strange looks, and perhaps o
lol 😀
And no it’s not inconvenient to me , it’s that I trust I’m not using words in bad faith .
And I mean what I say and sometimes a reality check, even if it can hurt, is a good thing .
Failure hurts but it is damn good way to get better and go further .
The concept of normalizing extreme outliers to feel good amounts in the end to more problems then good outcomes .
I’m not in the camp of let’s do a competition but everyone will get a trophy because we must not hurt the feeling of the person finishing last ….
I’m sure that will help that person to succeed later on 0o…..
lol 😀
And no it’s not inconvenient to me , it’s that I trust I’m not using words in bad faith .
And I mean what I say and sometimes a reality check, even if it can hurt, is a good thing .
Failure hurts but it is damn good way to get better and go further .
The concept of normalizing extreme outliers to feel good amounts in the end to more problems then good outcomes .
I’m not in the camp of let’s do a competition but everyone will get a trophy because we must not hurt the feeling of the person
You forgot its against the law to offend someone now or by god hurt their feelings.
The fact that indigenous people are not commonly referred to as "Indians" or "natives" in 2025 is not some subjective thing only true for me and others on the radical left. Go read any mainstream media articles on indigenous issues (or better yet read from indigenous people themselves) and see if these words are commonly used. They aren't.
I used to use the phrase "the natives are restless" until I realized how gross and racist it is.
The fact that indigenous people are not commonly referred to as "Indians" or "natives" in 2025 is not some subjective thing only true for me and others on the radical left. Go read any mainstream media articles on indigenous issues (or better yet read from indigenous people themselves) and see if these words are commonly used. They aren't.
I’m not talking about the words native, Indians I’m fine using Indigenous . It’s a no brainer for me . It’s like the word ****** or the N word I just don’t use them . I don’t say that’s so gay either .
But please don’t ask me to use they/them or men can get pregnant.
