Was this a total donk 3 bet cold call?
1-2 with a 5 dollar bring in straddled to 10. One EP limps MP opens to 45 , another MP calls, CO pots to 180(who I perceive as likely 3 betting fairly wide,) super loose SB calls. I have 6677 single suited. I'm 1200 effective with SB, but 500 effectiveish with most of the rest of the hand. I decide to cold call thinking that I will bring along at least the opener and the cold caller, and maybe others.
I can either flop a set, a straight, or a straight and a flush draw and get it in, or easily fold out on flop.
At least that was my thought process, but the straddle then jams 500, the limper, opener, and field caller fold out, 3 better jams for a bit over 500, and SB jams for 1200. My immediate reads is that the straddle and 3 better probably have pretty solid, higher card hands, and the SB can pretty much have any 4, and be trying to deny my equity. I end up making the call thinking I'm likely doing pretty well if at least 2 of the villains are sharing high cards with each other.
3 better ends up having pretty decent kings, straddle had a high card rundown, and sb had JJ 5 2. I end up getting scooped, but when I ran the equities, it appeared that I was actually getting above 30%.
Regardless, I still feel like the cold call put me in a very precarious position, that I didn't necessarily need to be involved in.
Was this a big punt? I've relatively recently gotten into 4 card as a Hold'em player, and while I know that middling double paired connected cards with a suit are quite a strong holding, I'm not sure if it was strong enough to justify the cold call in the SB. I'm used to just never cold calling 3 bets in Hold'em, so the concept that it is sometimes a viable strategy in 4 card is a difficult concept for me to grasp.
Thanks in advance for any replies.
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Honestly you don't need to cold-call any hand in that spot if you don't want to. You can just fold this.
I think after putting in 180, calling the rest against wide ranges is fine. I wouldn't want to cold-call/fold any hand with this action.
Honestly you don't need to cold-call any hand in that spot if you don't want to. You can just fold this.
I think after putting in 180, calling the rest against wide ranges is fine. I wouldn't want to cold-call/fold any hand with this action.
Thank you for the feedback.
Would you say the cold call is really bad, a bit ev-, or just kind of an ev neutral play that I didn't need to get involved in?
Trying to figure out the errors in my thought process.
Given that you don't feel that you need to cold call any hand in this situation, would you just cold 4 bet your aces, and fold everything else? Or would you also 4 bet like really good double suited kings with an ace, stuff like AKQJ double suited to the A and the K, and just fold everything else out?
Hands like 7788ds are very strong and you can and should find some coldcalls where 4betting isn't very appealing but neither is folding.
Having that hand and being up against two lots of aces is obviously printing.
Hands like 7788ds are very strong and you can and should find some coldcalls where 4betting isn't very appealing but neither is folding.
Having that hand and being up against two lots of aces is obviously printing.
Thanks for the feedback.
Was single suited 7766 not quite strong enough, but double suited 7788 have been just strong enough to justify it
Is my analysis that my bad position isn't hugely important in this hand correct, as the stack to pot ratio will be so small that I will just have an easy jam or fold scenario on the flop?
Maybe, there's a decent chance I play my hand exactly the same as you. Lots of situations where the only time you should be folding is the very first decision point and 7788ss does decently enough against most ranges to take to the felt in general.
