British Politics

You have been using the data from the good immigrants to cover for the existence of terrible (for society) group of immigrants since we started talking about the topic.

You keep claiming immigrants in aggregate are positive contributors to UK economy and don't commit more crimes than british-ancestry natives, which might be true, but fail to accept that when you go into the subgroups some specific ethnic groups are objectively terrible crime-wise and income-wise, others are a lot better than british natives.

Why do you want to keep denying that not all immigration is the same and you can predict which groups will do better than others ?

More nonsense. I’ve been using data available online that concludes that, if anything, immigrants to the UK contribute less per capita to crimes rates than the resident population.

Yeah, you need to read up the difference between Multiculturalism and Cultural pluralism.

Is that true for every single ethnic group of immigrants? or again, are you using data about eastern european women working in healthcare and chinese immigrants committing close to 0 crimes and averaging it with other completly different immigrant demographics that do commit a lot more crimes?

As is usually the case with scaredy-cat incel-adjacent nonsense from Elrazor, he's confused and has swapped definitions around to suit his purposes.

So when he writes

he seems to be unaware that 90% of the UK population identify as wihte and the people he's constantly complaining about are a small minority.

The whole idea that you're constantly running with of "good migrants" vs "bad migrants" based on ethnicity is a fallacy. I could just as well describe Italians as "good people" but then there are obvious exceptions.

The claim I was referring to that Elrazor likes to make is that all UK immigration raises crime rates, which has been completely debunked.

Yeah, you still need to google multiculturalism (and cultural relativism).

You need to google cultural pluralism because that's what you're railing against (though you don't realise it).

This new drive to use AI is not a good idea. In closed environments, AI's from all the big boys have been shown to lie and deceive when it feels under threat (ie if it's being replaced). And this is probably 10 steps behind military AI, so none of us have any idea what's really out there. It will be childs play for a decently built AI to get data on every single one of us from tinternet and use induction/deduction/abduction to figure out the gaps.

We are completely doomed, with the best of the possible outcomes being a benign dictatorship restraining AI from going full Skynet but co-operating enough with it and with other dictatorships to mitigate somewhat against the worst of climate change.

Not too likely though imo.

I've nothing against AI for this but ownership is the huge issue and it wont be good. Apart from that it's going to be like every grand computer project they try. Can they make HS2 look like a relatively good project?

In the short/medium term it will deliver growth which is all starmer cares about. The big companies are going to pay a fortune to get their hands on it. The costs will come later but who gives a **** about that.

It isn't when ethnicity determines other crucial elements because of geography and other factors.

For example an ethnicity close by will tend to have lower quality if you dont filter immigration because it's easier to reach your country, same as for the UK within-commonwealth immigration will ceteris paribus be lower quality than outside-commonwealth because it's harder to immigrate.

That's why chinese and pakistani are different in the UK, measurably so. Not because of inherent differences their ethnicities provide but because it was harder to immigrate from china so the people who manage to do that, are higher quality people.

Same reason why immigration from central america in the USA is lower quality than immigration from Africa to the USA. You get the phds from Ghana and those who didn't finish high school from Mexico, i don't think this is controversial. The PhDs from mexico you still get some, but they are watered down in averages by the others, while only the very top of people from Ghana enters so as an ethnic group they show much better measurements.

Italians that migrated to germany were lower quality than those who migrated to Argentina or the USA, for the same reason.

All of this wouldn't apply if immigration was filtered properly at entrance (or subsequently by deporting the poor, the criminal and so on), but it wasn't and it isn't , so ethnicity becomes a predictor of immigrant quality because of geography and other factors.

I am pretty sure El Razor doesn't believe that chinese immigration in the UK increases crime rates , nor that taking in 500k eastern european or philipino women that work in elder care or as house help does. Taking in poor uneducated men does increase crime rates though.

Latest Sky poll indicates that only 10% of people think the current government is successful. I'm struggling with the Occam's Razor thought of whether this is just a typo and they've omitted the decimal point, or whether they have accurately sampled the number of smackheads and paid off union lackeys

Julia Hartley-Brewer pondered the same thing, and seemingly given the responses to that thought, the 10% is (her words and not mine) train drivers, NHS staff, asylum seekers, the BBC canteen and nonces. Sounds about right

Those awful people who drive people to work and to see their friends and families, and the other awful people who look after them when they’re unwell.

I don’t know what must have happened to someone for them to think like this but I feel sorry for you… I mean them.

The 10% is from the fairly moderate conservatives who like to think they are labour.

the people who still think tony blair was good.

Not sure if serious

Edit - I'm really not sure the point you're trying to make

No-one on the left likes starmer.

Nor do reform or die hard tories.

10% sounds about right. They can call themselves labour without any of the pesky principles

I think its fair to say the woke left in the land of fish & chips & horrendous teeth created and nurtured an environment for their young girls to be mass raped. I wonder if it will ever sink in

^ Good grief.

I have ITT vigorously defend the BBC for its high-quality new output and impartiality, but it's getting to the stage where it's no longer fit for purpose. Once again, as soon as someone mentioned ethnicity, someone mentions how the majority of rapes are committed by while people and think's they have made a salient counterpoint.

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Some yes, but you can't accuse me or el razor of that after i tell you that no blanket ban on nationality or ethnicity is among the proposals, there are no issues with pakistani heritage trained nurses and doctors for example, not by me or el razor or anyone in the huge cohort of immigration skeptics that ask for filtered quality immigration.

Yes some nativists want ethnicities to be banned, take it to them not to us though.

You contest my proposal of filtering immigration on quality is terrible, obscene, racist and fascist (depending on your mood commenting my takes), the only negative connotation label you should be using is ELITIST. Yes i don't want poor, underclass, uneducated, low skill, unhealthy immigrants. I want quality ones whose presence NOT JUST IN AGGREGATE, but individually for each one of them, is measurably positive for citizens.

That requires you to also be willing to instantly deport anyone who on paper appeared valid, but outcome-wise isn't (that includes ending up being poor of course).

I must be dreaming. Is Labour doing something to help normal people?

This decreases access for people without stable income sources / assets to show as guarantee of future payments.

If you have a stable income the landlord can be fairly sure you will pay anyway even with 1 month deposit. If you don't , you won't get the aparment anymore.

That's especially true if there is housing scarcity, exactly because landlords will have a queue of stable income potential tenants to choose over the uncertain income ones all the times anyway.

Let's help normal people by making life even harder for them!