Cheating on the gulf coast

Cheating on the gulf coast

What exactly is going on down south, the same stable of players literally has won every event for the past year.. i know i can't be the only one thinking something smells fishy

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14 January 2025 at 05:10 PM
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I know a good amount of the players that frequent all of the southern circuit and yearly stops. I am not a pro or even that much in the know, however I always ask my buddies about what they think is going on.

From the information I hear, it seems that there is a network of good, competent tourney players that are using every possible “advantage” afforded to them within the rules and ecosystem of casinos and cardrooms without actually cheating (but still could be).

They swap/stake/have same backers, they study together online and in person (I have had buddies try to spend money to get in the “courses”), they chip dump in important spots in tourney’s similar to passing a baton in a relay race, they squeeze play unknowns when its profitable. None of this is really trackable or so egregious that it gets noticed so its tough to stop things that are in the grey area and preplanned by these players.

I think once the high level numerical anaylsis invaded poker, high level numbers analysis type people naturally came along with it, and start to approach it like high level investing with the main objective to be profit by any means.


I'm not sure where exactly on the Gulf Coast you're talking about, but I just made a trip to Biloxi for a big series and definitely had some suspicions that some shenanigans might be going on. Specifically I suspected that some of the dealers might be working with some of the players setting decks.

I saw dealers cutting and dealing using methods that I am aware mechanics often use. I didn't actually see anyone dealing off the bottom of a deck or anything, but certain grips and ways of cutting are often used by mechanics when they're stacking a deck.

The other thing that made me suspicious is that I witnessed dealers seemingly choosing which tables they were rotating to, and in some cases staying at the same table for extra rotations. Usually dealers follow a set pattern for changing tables and could care less where they're moved to. But I saw several instances where dealers randomly told other dealers , "I'll deal here, why don't you go to table X." There was no obvious reason for why they would do this. Maybe they were working with a partner on that table?

Anyway that's my two cents.


by GreatWhiteFish k

But I saw several instances where dealers randomly told other dealers , "I'll deal here, why don't you go to table X." There was no obvious reason for why they would do this. Maybe they were working with a partner on that table?

Anyway that's my two cents.

This is a huge red flag.


I saw this thread and expected to see that Preston shipped another Main Event lol, never seen him lose a flip in my life.

But no, it was Cody's turn to crush this series.

There definitely is a crew that studies and travels together and probably have swapped action with each other but I have never suspected collusion or cheating. They are just really dialed into the psychology of the average Southern rec and play highly exploitative poker.


by ledn k

I saw this thread and expected to see that Preston shipped another Main Event lol, never seen him lose a flip in my life.

But no, it was Cody's turn to crush this series.

There definitely is a crew that studies and travels together and probably have swapped action with each other but I have never suspected collusion or cheating. They are just really dialed into the psychology of the average Southern rec and play highly exploitative poker.

So that group is just that much better than everyone else that fires those?


by GreatWhiteFish k

I'm not sure where exactly on the Gulf Coast you're talking about, but I just made a trip to Biloxi for a big series and definitely had some suspicions that some shenanigans might be going on. Specifically I suspected that some of the dealers might be working with some of the players setting decks.

I saw dealers cutting and dealing using methods that I am aware mechanics often use. I didn't actually see anyone dealing off the bottom of a deck or anything, but certain grips and ways of cutting are

Ive seen loads of this precisely at the events run by this crew


by Hell2Heaven k

I know a good amount of the players that frequent all of the southern circuit and yearly stops. I am not a pro or even that much in the know, however I always ask my buddies about what they think is going on.

From the information I hear, it seems that there is a network of good, competent tourney players that are using every possible “advantage” afforded to them within the rules and ecosystem of casinos and cardrooms without actually cheating (but still could be).

They swap/stake/have same backer

You contradict yourself. You say they are taking every legal advantage but then describe actions that are definitely outside the rules.


by Hell2Heaven k

This is a huge red flag.

It happens all of the time at these events. It reeks


I am also very suspicious of all southern WSOP circuit stops at Tunica, Cherokee and Choctaw. A group of dealers are likely setting deck for a stable of players. I have stopped playing hands with Preston and a few other regular winners. They never lose a hand at big spots and will often have very unlikely preflop holdings that win big pots.

Can we put a list of speculative names together? Will be useful to put together a list of dealer names as well.

Shaun Deeb had posted a video of mechanic dealers from Legends Poker Room, Houston, a few months ago. Some of those mechanic dealers have likely moved on from Texas card clubs to tournament circuits. Too much money involved not to be cheating.


Thanks OP for starting this thread.

I have played many tournaments over the last few years all along the Gulf Coast, and I have more than a time or two had a feeling / suspicion that there might be some shenanigans occurring.

The squeezing, suspicious All In's, etc., not just in tournaments but some of the Cash games.

I'll be watching this thread as I am interested.


by gamboolman k

Thanks OP for starting this thread.

I have played many tournaments over the last few years all along the Gulf Coast, and I have more than a time or two had a feeling / suspicion that there might be some shenanigans occurring.

The squeezing, suspicious All In's, etc., not just in tournaments but some of the Cash games.

I'll be watching this thread as I am interested.

A one post derail...Gamboolman I know you and the Mrs. come through sometimes so passing along. The Horseshoe Westlake (old Isle of Capri) poker shut down this past Sunday.

This was no surprise as it has been lucky to get a single game and list even on weekends. More than once the room was dark by 9PM on a Friday. I am sorry they closed if only because a) really liked a couple of the dealers (and supposedly GN roster is full) and b) it gave some competition to GN.

Now back to the Cheating discussion.

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