The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

I hate this so much:

For those that don't know, Jenni Bryne is Poilievre's right-hand woman. A loyalist if there ever is one. And I just ****ing hate that one politician doing a generic, respectful nice comment about another politician is seen this way. And of all issues that Anand worked on, to elevate ****ing pronouns as the #1 political issue that means you can't possibly say a respectful thing about a colleague? It's the worst of the worst right wing culture war things. And it really shows where the conservative party has gone post O'Toole - a dark, dark place.

Freeland is a horrible public speaker and just comes across to me as very annoying . Never serves you well when its about image as well . Its the one thing Trudeau was very talented at

Right. "Annoying". Yes, my claim is that she is a solid technocrat with good ideas and good execution of policy, but sure I wouldn't say she is particularly great at retail politics.

Yeah, that's truly pathetic; I hardly know where to start. I guess I see three levels. First, the pathetic slavishness to culture wars that means "supporting DEI" is super important and she must be criticized for that as she announces she's wrapping up her time in federal politics. Second, the idea that someone is no longer the leader of your party because...they dared to say something nice about a member of the other side. This is where we're at, apparently - nothing but vitriol permitted now. And third, she felt the need to post this. Either she felt this pettiness was important enough to be shared, or that it would win political points, or both. Sad. Very, very, sad.

But we all know that is part of the campaign . Personally I do not find her qualified at her current position as finance minister . I think she would be the worst pick for the liberals as folks will still see her as part of the Trudeau team .

O'Toole fumbled an easily winnable election by pandering to the left and pretending to be a liberal lite. He should have nothing to do with the Conservative party, he failed and sucks.

Is it classy to claim Conservatives are screwing over veterans?

Liberals were great at screwing vets over its bi partisan

Maybe so. But that wasn't the criticism. It was that he shouldn't be party leader because he said something nice about a departing politician as opposed to raging about pronouns. And that is just....really sad.

O'Toole was a decent man, the kind of person who says what he believes and is respectful to his opponents, the type where I could disagree with him on policies but not just jump to the hate train. And ya that has no place in today's conservative movement, it's too bad really but here we are.

I'm sure you'll get over it.

Cool, having people like you like him isn't how you win. It's too bad conservative aren't playing nice? Is calling the opposition leader a greasy walrus being respectful to your opponents?

You prove my point. Being able to say a generic kind word to a fellow politician who is leaving politics isn't something that should be about "how you win" and which slice of the demographic that appeals to. It's just a decent thing to do. A respectful thing. A politically neutral thing! But your party is so obsessed with constant attack mode, so obsessed with culture war anti-woke BS that if a politician ever said anything about pronouns, your side thinks the only appropriate response is relentless attacks and never a shred of basic human respect or dignity.

And then those same people who think you can NEVER "play nice" without it being disqualifying as a political leader, OMG do they cry and moan and complain if the other side ever dips a toe into attacking then back OMG he called peterson a greasy walrus I'm SOOO upset mommy!!!!

Utterly pathetic.

Sounds like a description of how Trudeau treats Pierre

As polievre didn’t attack everyone with nonsense and disrespect. ?
like or hate Trudeau , he obviously has more class then many including polievre . .

lol another one misses the point. While it’s true that poilievre - and too a much lesser extent Trudeau - attack each other regularly, I’m not criticizing attacking. I’m criticizing not being able to EVER take a one-tweet pause from it. Not even to a colleague leaving politics, no parting nicety or respect allowed.

That you two can’t even find it in yourself to recognize how ridiculous your team’s top advisor is being is definitely a big part of the problem.

Or to allow anyone else to do so without mocking them for it.

So what do we think Pierre might accomplish in 8+ years?

I'm thinking he might get the Loonie back to 1.15 maybe. Huge natural resources boom for minerals, LNG, oil, potash etc. Hopefully good relations with the USA are coming. Once Trump gives up the 51st state nonsense, lol.

I think the public sector will trim a lot of fat which we probably need. Maybe mostly by retirement attrition.

I think housing won't see a shred of progress, but maybe we slow the bleeding a bit. I gotta think it may become easier to build a home, which is the most you could hope for. I think the biggest changes have to be municipal, with our ass backwards zoning laws. So that's not Pierre.

I think maybe we put the brakes on the excessive woke culture stuff though, mostly by getting rid of the left's ability to reprimand people for having their own ideas. That might be the single biggest upside to me.

But I think AI and climate will get so much worse, that it'll be hard to call the 8+ years a success in the end. Just looking this far out.

We’re did I defend what she said . Did you not read the post saying losing Anita is bad for the liberals and me saying she was a competent minister ?
Did I point out the things she supports that I don’t ? No

I just complemented her and said a big loss for the liberals

Indeed. You were like O'Toole. Gracious. Jenni Byrne's comments equally apply to you and O'Toole. But when I brought up how horrible her perspective is, this relentless demand for only attacks and never a moment of respect for political opponents, you couldn't find it within yourself to condemn that, and instead just went for a stupid whatabouttrudeau quip.

lol no, this is just hilarious fiction. Remember, Trudeau is PRO oil extraction. My dude bought the trans mountain pipeline, my dude built the trans mountain pipeline successfully, and my dude presided over record high oil production. You guys can be mad at some of the tepid environmental productions and the slightly downward pressure they provide, but if you rip them all up root and stem (and do you really think we should be getting rid of all of them??) that isn't going to magically transform the economy from 0.7 to 1.15.

More fiction. We have free speech in Canada today, and we will have free speech in Canada tomorrow. Having poilievre in power doesn't change one iota whether the left can "reprimand people" ffs. Especially because most of this is just symbolic BS not meaningful policies, like sure Poilievre will probably have a cabinet that's like 70% male as opposed to 50% male for Trudeau and you can think that symbolism is way way way better, but how any of this minor **** becomes the "single biggest upside" in your minds is beyond me.

Yet you seemed to have no issue with Marc Miller adding his attack reference veterans ?

One thing at a time. I think Jenni Byrne's tweet was WAY out of line and should be condemned - you don't seem willing to do that.

If there is someone else who has said a bad thing feel free to give a link with the full context and we can evaluate that next. However I'll note that I wasn't condemning attacks per se. I generally think people should do less ridiculous attacks on all sides of the spectrum, but what I was specifically condemning was the sense that you are never allowed to take a BREAK from attacks. The reason that Jenni Byrne's tweet was so bad wasn't that it was an attack, it was it suggested you can ONLY attack someone like anita anand and you're never allowed to do what you did (be respectful) without that being disqualifying as a party leader. Do you see the distinction?

I'm not sure why I have to condemn it ? I made my opinion about her and this person used their personal X page to give hers I personally do not support DEI or tampon machines in men's bathrooms . I couldn't care less if folks want to use their pronouns in profiles, e-mails or when they introduce themselves as long as no one is forced to do that . I am all for it its an easy way to eliminate employees you do not want to hire

Our current prime minister is the champion of attacks on the other side calling folks Nazi's , racists and other terms . You never denounced that either . In Marc Millers tweet Ill mention again he did the exact same thing that Jenni did but you never condemned him.

Job discrimination against trans and non-binary people is absolutely disgusting. Imagine casually discriminating against people on their sex or their race or their religion. You get that this is wrong, right? But for someone's gender you are cheering on job discrimination? It sounds like you DO care, and not only care but care so strongly you are willing to trample core human rights over it.

I guess it makes sense that you are unwilling to condemn Jenni's tweet.

I'm not sure what tweet you are upset about, or why you think anyone should condemn anything given your refusal, but feel free to share something in context if you are very upset about it.

Mark Carney would have probably been the most qualified person to run Canada. Wish he was the conservative leader instead.

I hope he becomes leader of the liberal party so we can actually finally have a competent mind behind Canada's Liberal party.

I kinda want Singh to stay on just so that the NDP party stays dead in the water and irrelevant.

Were did I say discriminating against trans folks and non binary . I said people that list their pro nouns whatever they are

If you look back at Carney's record yes it was good for Canada but many said he did a bad job in his role in England. He also supports Trudeau's policies which will not help him

Christy Clark is now out as well